A year of Starmer What do you think?

trisher I cannot recall you ever admit Corbyn screwed things up, not even when he said of the wreath laying for the murderers of an Olympic team -

‘I was present but I don’t think I was actually involved in it’

What questions about the walkabout need answering though trisher. - if there are any it’s between the two owners of the pub.

You said earlier that it was the ‘anti Corbyn’ crew earlier that keep on bringing him up, and yet you keep doing it? I don’t think anybody said specifically that he couldn’t organise walkabouts did they - that wasn’t why he was ousted as we all know. I have no opinion on whether he would have managed this particular situation differently, but in any case it’s irrelevant.

Name any politician who would have had their ‘ finest moment’ when faced with this landlord who had clearly been sitting on his anger about lockdown for some time - it was plain that it was about the direct impact on his business. In the circumstances, Starmer did well in my opinion. I know your antipathy towards him would forbid that you could see anything he does well, but we don’t all share your opinion as you know.

We disagree that it was a cock up trisher that's all. There are things that Starmer has done that I dont agree with, I would be happy to say that because I dont believe in a cult like following of a leader. This wasnt one of those things.

As DPP he was astute and nimble of mind. He plans, studies his brief and can outflank Johnson any time. However, Covid, has been a strange and terrible situation thereby establishing a need to support the Government as fighting between parties would not be welcome. However, Starmer’s personality is the opposite of Johnson’s blustering and shambolic behaviour and as a result he is easily underestimated. Personally I prefer intelligence and care any day to the risk taking of our Prime Minister.

Not questions about the walkabout Casdon but things like "Why are you supporting a leader who can't even do a walkabout.,,,,etc" It's questions about Starmer.
I only brought up Corbyn because he has been so vilified and yet he never encountered such vitriol.
Of course no politician would have handled it well which is why it should never have happened (but it did). How did he handle it well ? By making a statement afterwards completely misrepresenting the questions that were fired at him? You may support him but surely even the most ardent supporter can see the way this will undermine him.

Unplanned incidents happen to all politicians on walkabouts at one time or another, for example..
www.reuters.com/article/britain-election-photograph/uk-labour-leader-corbyn-suffers-the-curse-of-the-election-photo-gaffe-idINKBN17Z1BL.
Corbyn did suffer the same level of vitriol, I won’t bore everybody but there are plenty of incidents online to look up if others can be bothered.
I don’t think Starmer deliberately misrepresented what happened, he interpreted it to try to make sense of it. Whatever you think of him he is not stupid. Where we differ is that you are unable to see a minor incident that could have happened to any politician for what it was - a minor incident.

Casdon

Hot off the press.
news.sky.com/story/elections-2021-labour-in-touching-distance-of-welsh-parliament-majority-new-poll-says-12281089

16 and 17 year olds will be able to vote which could make a difference too.

That’s right – Starmer insulted Mr Humphris, saying, “I really don’t need lectures from you.” Then he had the cheek to walk into the pub run by the man he had just insulted!

Then one of Starmer’s ‘minders’ blocked the landlord from entering his own establishment, knocking his glasses to the ground in the process, and manhandled him into a stairwell. That seems to be the reason he accused the man of assault.

Starmer finally made his escape, passing Mr Humphris his glasses as he did so.

It is no way to behave in front of the electorate.

The way Starmer stayed put while his muscle mistreated his host indicates an appalling sense of entitlement – that the Labour leader thinks he has a right to go wherever he damn well pleases, without so much as a “by your leave” to the relevant authorities.

It's a classic example of what many have complained of on GN the inability of Labour to connect with ordinary people. But I don't expect the Starmer supporters to acknowledge anything is amiss- it was all the fault of Corbyn and us left wingers!

Yes that's what's been said on this thread. You have completely nailed it.

Starmer is a spineless, watered down Tory. Labour are going to dissolve into oblivion if they continue to have this limp noodle as their Party leader.

Thank you for that intelligent eloquent explanation of why you don’t like Starmer posh paws.

I must say it made me stop and think

Galaxy me too, why bother with reasoned discussions?

Here’s the latest opinion poll, which shows 12% improvement since March 2020 - but why worry about that little detail?
www.statista.com/statistics/985764/voting-intention-in-the-uk/

If we are to have reasoned discussions let's at least have them on the basis of fact.
One photograph taken is not the same as arguing with the man whose pub you want to enter.
I googled attacks on Corbyn and only came up with the egg throwing incident and I'm sure if there had been more they would have been widely publicised.
Finally a 28% approval rating in March 2020 rising to an approval level of 32% in March 2021 is not a 12% improvement. And in fact the approval rate rose but is now falling. But why worry about facts and accuracy when you are supporting Starmer??

Where we differ is that you are unable to see a minor incident that could have happened to any politician for what it was - a minor incident.
Careers are lost over such incidents. Anyone remember Gordon Brown and that "bigoted woman"?

For once I find myself in total agreement with Keir Starmer regarding the incident with the Bath landlord who has now been on TV. Mr. Humphries is arguably a covid denier. He thinks Covid is seasonal and only affects old people over 80 and that lockdowns are totally unnecessary and was f and blinding Starmer for not opposing all the restrictions. Starmer’s wife works for the NHS and he stood up against blatant ignorance. Unfortunately his minders ushered him into the pub presumably away from the press.

The co-owner of the pub has now stood up for Starmer perhaps because local people are threatening to boycott the pub as the in no way agree with Humphries views. Good on you Kier - never thought I would say that. He was, of course, accompanied by Dan Norris who was Labour MP for the old Wansdyke area where he did a brilliant job. He is now standing for regional mayor. He will have my vote again.

trisher if it gives you comfort, you carry on. Just please read the first paragraph of the Statista report I posted, which says word for what what I said. Also read the report I posted for the Welsh Government elections. I like facts not speculation.

I’m off this thread, it’s going round in circles and we will never agree.

Don't sugar coat it poshpaws say what you really think

poshpaws

Starmer is a spineless, watered down Tory. Labour are going to dissolve into oblivion if they continue to have this limp noodle as their Party leader.

Well Said Poshpaws lots of people would agree.

But he is electable unlike Corbyn and Momentum who were just a gift to the Tories.

Corbyn lost two general elections but is still praised by the far left, Starmer leader for only one year is criticised

Starmer's main selling point is he says he is electable but are people buying it?

Well, it’s a pretty good starting point methinks....

Casdon

trisher if it gives you comfort, you carry on. Just please read the first paragraph of the Statista report I posted, which says word for what what I said. Also read the report I posted for the Welsh Government elections. I like facts not speculation.

I’m off this thread, it’s going round in circles and we will never agree.

Casdon It's not my fault if you translate a 24 point lead and a 12 point lead as meaning a 12% gain when what has actually happened is that approval for both parties has fallen. Perhaps instead of just reading the opening paragraph you should look at the graph and work things out for your self. So in March 2020 It was 54% Conservative and 28% Labour, in March 2021 It was 45% Conservative and 32% Labour. Statistically the Green Party seems to have made the greates gains having almost doubled its support
Still I understand why you are leaving. It's hard to argue on the basis of misinformation.