Brexit is the cause of the shortages

maddyone

I’m fed up of all this endless discussion. I voted remain, but I’ve accepted the status quo. I’ve got more than enough to worry about with the three 94 year olds in our family without worrying about that which I cannot change. There are problems post Brexit I know, but I’m unable to change anything about them. There are also problems with insufficient heavy goods drivers in other countries, but no one answered my point on that.

Yes, I agree. There are driver shortages in both the USA and Europe. Our problem may be worse because of the appalling working conditions, an ageing work force, the costs of training and retraining born by the individual, drivers returning to their home country and finding better paid work there, the DVLA slow processing of applications and shortage of tests available.

Life can be challenging and you have lots on your plate. Endless discussion is so depressing so I’m sure you are doing the right thing for you.

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1 I just cannot see that throwing insults around gets the debate/discussion anywhere.

Tell Kadinsky!

Kandinsky, rejoining is one thing- and even I am not advocating this. There is a big difference between re-joining and tearing up with art 16, the Deal we signed!

maddyone, I am so sorry to hear. But some people here are talking about tearing up the Deal and Treaty the UK has signed. That is NOT the Brexit that was agreed and signed. So yes, Brexit has happened- and the UK did sign a Deal to that effect, and now want to totally go back on their word. This is a totally different proposition, and one that will leave us massively isolated, shunned- a small island cut off from the rest by water and ports that can be blockaded, and with massive shortages of labour with the necessary skills and experience, and with utilities and services sold to those we are about to 100% alienate.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1 I just cannot see that throwing insults around gets the debate/discussion anywhere.

Tell Kadinsky!

Bit late for debate and discussion, wouldn't you say?

Got any Brexit benefits to regale us with? Preferably ones that couldn't be disproved within one short post.

As far as I’m concerned the brexit vote was won as a result of fraud and downright lies.

I would never accept such a vote as legitimate.

To do so undermines our democracy.

Well you’re going to have to really WWmk2.
Sorry.

Kali2
Fair enough - it’s just these brexit bashing threads come up almost daily - the vast majority of people are sick of them, even people who voted to remain.
But I can exercise my democratic right and ignore/ hide them.
Which I will.

Do you have any idea what triggering art 16 would do to the UK?

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If anyone is 'brexit bashing' it must be those who are now calling for the Brexit Deal negotiated and signed by the UK, to be torn up, by the UK. You can't get more 'Brexit bashing' than that, surely.

Kandinsky

Kali2
Fair enough - it’s just these brexit bashing threads come up almost daily - the vast majority of people are sick of them, even people who voted to remain.
But I can exercise my democratic right and ignore/ hide them.
Which I will.

How is Brexit bashing to ask for benefits of Brexit?

Have you done some kind of survey to know what the vast majority of people think?

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Kali2

Do you have any idea what triggering art 16 would do to the UK?

Apart from making the UK utterly untrustworthy in diplomatic circles, what about the people of Northern Ireland?

People on here should be old enough to know what the situation was before the Good Friday Agreement.

Kandinsky

Kali2
Fair enough - it’s just these brexit bashing threads come up almost daily - the vast majority of people are sick of them, even people who voted to remain.
But I can exercise my democratic right and ignore/ hide them.
Which I will.

Well done! You can sit happily in the knowledge that you live in a world of rainbows and unicorns where everyone agrees and no one questions.

The problem with Brexit is that I can no longer find enough bricklayers to build a wall long enough to line 17,410,742 people up against

Interesting how remainers will just laugh this revolting comment off.

Scary people.

I live in Belgium and I can tell you that people and the media here are not bitter and twisted about Brexit at all. They're just saddened by it and all the hate aimed at those who live in the EU. Life will go on here just the same for native eu'ers. For me it's more difficult as I want to visit my sons and gran kids in the UK and Brexit has made that not only harder but way more expensive. On a minor note Im finding it hard to get the imported goods from UK such as pg tips, marmite and pickles.

I can't convince anyone that Brexit was a good idea as I think it's a terrible idea. Would also like to add that most people in the UK have no idea of the truth regarding Brexit and certainly don't want to hear both sides opinions. The amount of totally incorrect articles written in Pro Brexit newspapers and spouted by those in favour is shocking. I predicted that illegal immigration would Increase (not because the French are 'waving them through') despite many voting to leave because they wanted to stop this.

I didn’t vote for Brexit but my friend in America says there are very similar problems over there so although Brexit has played a part it isn't the only cause of our present problems.

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1 insulting millions of the electorate due to them exercising their democratic right to vote, is neither clever nor funny, and quiet frankly below your usual standard of debate on GN.

I don't see that a 'democratic right to vote' is in any way a bar to telling people who voted Leave what a bloody silly idea it was.

How will we ever know what would have happened after Brexit when Covid intervened and changed the whole world. Perhaps the workman has now become worthy of his hire! Why should people do jobs that no one else wants to do for peanuts.

Scary people.

The feeling is mutual, Kandinsky, so it seems we're agreed on one thing; the 'other side' is scary'.

Thank you both Ayse and Kali2. I do hope the situation you describe Kali doesn’t happen. For those of us with additional worries, it will just make life even more difficult, as if Covid and Brexit isn’t enough. I’ve just returned from ten days in Greece, and came back renewed and relaxed, but that didn’t reign long. I’m going to Sainsburys later today so I’ll see them how bad the situation is then. There were no shortages of goods or petrol in Greece.

Jackiest

The problem with Brexit is that I can no longer find enough bricklayers to build a wall long enough to line 17,410,742 people up against.

I have reported your post.

It is offensive, and those agreeing should be ashamed.

Amusing to see the far left contributors on here clamouring to agree with big business.

Perhaps the workman has now become worthy of his hire!

Like all those NHS workers who have been offered a derisory pay rise?

Massive shortages of doctors and nurses and GPs..

It's odd that it's OK for HGV drivers to be given well increased wages because they're in short supply. But of course, they're not paid out of public money.

But state employees, equally necessary for our health and well being , however much they are in short supply, can't be incentivised by increased pay, because?

GrannyGravy13

Jackiest

The problem with Brexit is that I can no longer find enough bricklayers to build a wall long enough to line 17,410,742 people up against.

I have reported your post.

It is offensive, and those agreeing should be ashamed.

Just banter, GG13...