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AIBU to expect to see my new grandson more than once a week/spend time alone with gc?

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grandma1sttime Thu 06-Jan-22 04:30:17

Hello all
My son is engaged and he and his fiancé “DIL” are expecting a baby boy in late February. They also have a 4 y.o girl who is DIL’s from a previous relationship, but my son has raised her since she was 1.5 and considers her his own (she has no contact with bio father.)

I have been feeling rather snubbed as of late. To start, we have repeatedly asked if we could get 4 y.o granddaughter for a few hours to have at our home (alone) and been ignored or told no. My son told me this is because “they” (DIL I am assuming- my son grew up in my house and was never too good to be around us until he met her) but “they” don’t want their children around “thirdhand” smoke. We smoke inside but only in the kitchen with the fan on and it doesn’t smell. I told him that we of course wouldn’t smoke while they were in our house and he said that doesn’t matter because they think that smoke residue sticks to the inside of the house and that we need to stop completely AND get the house deep cleaned PROFESSIONALLY before they will bring our grandchildren to our house.

This is absolutely devastating to us. I don’t think that DIL should be dictating what we do in our own home while they kids aren’t around in order to have us see our grandchildren and bond with them alone. My son said DIL has had two infants in her family pass away from SIDS (mind you over the last two DECADES, so not exactly a common occurrence) and that exposure to “thirdhand” smoke is a non negotiable no for her.

She is so obsessed with this anxiety she has that she’s even said that my husband and I will need to SHOWER, EVERY SINGLE TIME before we come to see the new baby at their house (as again he won’t be allowed at ours.) She says the “doctor recommended” that anyone who smokes (which is JUST US) showers, changes into freshly washed clothes that “have not been exposed to cigarette smoke,” and refrain from smoking until our visit is done. (In addition to washing our hands before holding him which we would of course already do.)

She says that anyone who comes into the house smelling like cigarette smoke (or strong perfume- wouldn’t want us trying to skip our shower) will not be allowed to hold the baby when they arrive. So if she deems that we smell like cigarettes, she will tell us we cannot hold OUR NEWBORN GRANDSON when we come to their house. She even condescendingly said that they would be “HAPPY TO KEEP A CHANGE OF CLOTHES FOR US AT THEIR HOUSE IF WE DON’T THINK WE CAN KEEP OURS SMOKE FREE”

This all leads me to my next point- I complained to my son, explaining that asking us to shower every single time we come will be way too much and is expecting too much, and that we will likely want/need to go out for a cigarette at some point during our visits to the new baby as it’ll be difficult for us to sit for so long without having a smoke.

My son then says “it shouldn’t be too difficult to sit through the visit without smoking as we are only wanting people to stay for around a half an hour, and the showering shouldn’t be too inconvenient as we will only be interested in having any given person over ONCE A WEEK when he’s newborn.”

They want me, who lives 5 minutes away, to contain my visits to once a week for THIRTY MINUTES. He told me this is because they want to “bond as a family” (we are their family?! And we want to bond with him too!) and that DIL will be “bleeding, exhausted and in pain” (I’ve given birth before- this is dramatic.) He also said that DIL wants to give the baby breast milk and that she doesn’t feel comfortable being exposed in front of guests but won’t “feel like” walking up and down the stairs with baby to feed him so guests can stay, so we will be expected to leave when the baby wants to eat and not come again for another week.

I was never close to my mom (DIL is so I’m sure HER mom will get to be there nonstop) but I let my ex husband’s mother come over as much as she wanted after I had my two sons. She also smoked inside and still got to have my children overnight and for visits whenever she wanted because she is THEIR GRANDMOTHER. I am absolutely appalled and so heartbroken over these “rules” that we’ve had put in place. I always thought we had a good relationship with DIL until we really started noticing that she avoids the subject every time we ask to have their daughter alone.

Sparklefizz Thu 06-Jan-22 12:51:14

And there was also this comment from OP :
“more than a few hours during the day” because she thinks we are alcoholics. We do love to have drinks in the evenings, but would be perfectly capable of not doing so if we had a reason not to (such as an overnight with our grandchildren.) The word “alcoholic” is very upsetting to me as it has been used to hurt me many times in my life by many different people.

I wonder why many people in Grandma1sttime 's life have called her an alcoholic. This is another reason not to allow children to stay with her overnight.

Grandmabatty Thu 06-Jan-22 12:56:58

This person is a fantasist or likes to wind folk up. The style they write in is very recognisable. It's a bunch of absolute nonsense

Smudgie Thu 06-Jan-22 13:01:35

Agree with others, this has been posted before. The OP obviously doesn't have enough in their lives if they spend their time doing this. Ignore.

BlueBelle Thu 06-Jan-22 14:51:10

Don’t feed the flames
It’s all repetitive nonsense

Esspee Thu 06-Jan-22 15:12:21

Your daughter in law is not dictating what you do in your own house. She is rightly deciding what environment her children will be exposed to.
I have never understood the insistence of some grandparents on “alone time” with grandchildren. That should evolve naturally over time when everyone is happy.
You smell, you must do. Everyone who smokes smells. If you cannot sit for half an hour without smoking then you are heavy smokers. If you drink every night you are heavy drinkers, even if it is just one drink a night you will be over the recommended maximum.
Showering before visiting is something most people do. If it is too much trouble perhaps you should review your personal hygiene.
Your d-i-l sounds like she is a good mother.

Esspee Thu 06-Jan-22 15:24:22

I should have read the whole thread.

Jezra Thu 06-Jan-22 15:25:20

All I can say is - my parents used to do the school run in the morning for me as I worked. However, it soon had to stop because my son aged 6 would cry and become very upset at going. Finally, I managed to get to the bottom of it. He was very loyal to them so it took a while but eventually he said through sobs, “I don’t want to go again because I always feel sick with the smell of old smoke(stale smoke I presume he meant).” That was it. I changed my hours. Problem sorted. What is this thing of grandparents needing to “bond” and can’t seem to “bond” unless they have grandchildren staying on their own overnight? You can bond with your grandchildren when they come to visit with their parents or if you babysit them in their own home. The best grandparents are the ones who accept the views of the parents of the children. They have to remember that they are “extended family” now not immediate family. I fully sympathise with the parents here and this grandmother is being ridiculous!

Jezra Thu 06-Jan-22 15:30:48

Oh and if that is too long a read for you @grandmalsttime.
The short answer is:-
Yes you are being very unreasonable.

LovelyCuppa Thu 06-Jan-22 15:35:39

3 out of 10. Could try harder.

Blossoming Thu 06-Jan-22 15:59:17

Yes you are being unreasonable and I would not trust you with my small children.

Blossoming Thu 06-Jan-22 16:02:25

Also, am I the only one who thinks this sounds creepy as hell?

we have repeatedly asked if we could get 4 y.o granddaughter for a few hours to have at our home (alone)

VioletSky Thu 06-Jan-22 16:07:19

Unreasonable.

What is this obsession with "alone time" lately?

Newatthis Thu 06-Jan-22 16:23:42

If your alcohol consumption has been mentioned in the past by other people then perhaps you might have a problem. As far as smoking is concerned your DiL and Son are right not to let any smoker near their newborn. I don't think people should post pictures of children on FB as they can be copied, manipulated and used by some very undesirable people.

Chewbacca Thu 06-Jan-22 16:26:35

Is grandma1sttime coming back or do we have to wait until the early hours of the morning for the next chapter?

Shelflife Thu 06-Jan-22 16:39:42

A massive wind up . Probably been sent by a very bored and ridiculous person . This post needs removing !

Allsorts Thu 06-Jan-22 16:47:32

This has been on before. I said last time I wouldn’t let my children go. Stale smoke smells vile, it gets into their clothes and hair. As for the rules about length of visit, I would turn up to my children without clearing it with them first anyway, but nothing you can do, short visits are enough with a new born. I wouldn’t let anyone hold or breathe over a newborn, in fact I think I would leave it until they could be outside.

Jaffacake2 Thu 06-Jan-22 17:42:26

Chapter 2 without the capital letters please.

grandma1sttime Thu 06-Jan-22 18:18:30

To all the responders here
It seems everyone is fixating on the SMOKING, but not the fact that I’m expected to only visit my newborn grandson (MY FIRST GRANDSON) once a week?! I am struggling to see how once a week for THIRTY MINUTES is not absolutely insulting. I intended to be over after work quite frequently and to have longer visits with my son and grandson on the weekends when I’m off work. Once a week is a fraction of the amount a respected and loved grandmother would be expected or “ALLOWED” to come visit her NEWBORN GRANDCHILD.

Grandmabatty Thu 06-Jan-22 18:25:34

Give it a rest.

Mollygo Thu 06-Jan-22 18:35:20

If you are for real. I’m sorry for you.
If you smell of smoke (and you’ll have to rely on others saying you do, because you can’t smell it after a while.
If they don’t want the smell of smoke around the baby, that’s their right.
If they don’t want to leave their child with you, again their decision.
A respected and loved grandmother might not have this problem. Are you a respected and loved grandmother?

Wheniwasyourage Thu 06-Jan-22 18:39:39

Anyway, there are those of us who live far enough away from our families that seeing our DGC once a week is only fantasy!

LovelyCuppa Thu 06-Jan-22 18:46:24

grandma1sttime

To all the responders here
It seems everyone is fixating on the SMOKING, but not the fact that I’m expected to only visit my newborn grandson (MY FIRST GRANDSON) once a week?! I am struggling to see how once a week for THIRTY MINUTES is not absolutely insulting. I intended to be over after work quite frequently and to have longer visits with my son and grandson on the weekends when I’m off work. Once a week is a fraction of the amount a respected and loved grandmother would be expected or “ALLOWED” to come visit her NEWBORN GRANDCHILD.

Ah sorry, I didn't realise it was A NEWBORN GRANDCHILD, YOUR FIRST GRANDSON ?

Blossoming Thu 06-Jan-22 18:47:21

You’re not yet a grandmother, let alone a respected and loved one. If you want love and respect you have to earn it. You won’t get it by SHOUTING AND DEMANDING.

Jezra Thu 06-Jan-22 18:56:31

I don’t think the OP is for real. If and when I am ever likely to be a gran I will be grateful for any chance to meet/see my grandchild, whether that be once a week, once a month etc. OP sounds very controlling and annoyed at the fact that she cannot control events in this case. Be grateful you are going to be allowed to see your grandchild with conditions attached. It’s better than being told to get lost because you are being too selfish.

valdali Thu 06-Jan-22 19:06:32

Sadly I think that your son & D-i-L are just being cautious & following guidelines and yes, you are being unreasonable to feel snubbed & feel that your lifestyle choices are still generally acceptable.
I have loads of sympathy for you, we both smoked once our children were 12 months (not while they were tiny or only on v rare occassions when we were out & had sitters). They didn't have asthma or wheeze and 30 odd years later have never smoked or wanted to.
SIDS is awful (we have experienced in extended family) but it is only 30 per 100,000 births and co-sleeping (falling asleep with baby in bed or chair) is of the same order of risk as parents who smoke. For some reason, co-sleeping isn't crusaded about the way that secondhand smoke is, some parents just insist they want to do it, even if the babies are in hospital, & don't seem to feel any stigma.
It is hurtful but it has got to be good that we are protecting young children & babies so much better. To be realistic though, quite a lot of young people 16 -20 smoke, even though their parents haven't , and that is a much bigger risk to their health than a grandparent who has smoked that day visiting their home without showering would have been to them as babies.