Assigned female at birth

FarNorth

^If you don’t recognise yourself as a “cervix haver” you are unlikely to attend your smear test. Cervix is an uncommon word describing a hidden body part so unless “woman” is used to invite women to screening those with learning disabilities, dyslexia, English as a second language or lower education attainment are excluded. Some of them might then die of cervical cancer. I don’t think that is ok.^

thecritic.co.uk/women-wont-wheesht/

I don't think it is Ok for anyone to die of cervical cancer FarNorth and that includes transmen. There are heaps of women who won't understand what a cervix is, and actually don't need to understand what a cervix is just that they are invited and need to attend a smear test. It doesn't matter if they understand the biology just the medical need.

FarNorth Thanks for posting the link.

It’s amazing how women were persecuted by men in the past and are still being persecuted by men and some women who support the patriarchy and it’s still not seen as wrong.

Mollygo

FarNorth Thanks for posting the link.

It’s amazing how women were persecuted by men in the past and are still being persecuted by men and some women who support the patriarchy and it’s still not seen as wrong.

So what would you do about transmen Mollygo I'm really interested to have it all explained to me. Personally I support their right to define themselves as they wish, to ask that their gender choice be respected and that any healthcare they need should treat them as the gender they ask.
So explain to me how ignoring them does anything at all to the patriarchy.

We arent ignoring them. I have told you a thousand and one times now.

trisher

Mollygo

FarNorth Thanks for posting the link.

It’s amazing how women were persecuted by men in the past and are still being persecuted by men and some women who support the patriarchy and it’s still not seen as wrong.

So what would you do about transmen Mollygo I'm really interested to have it all explained to me. Personally I support their right to define themselves as they wish, to ask that their gender choice be respected and that any healthcare they need should treat them as the gender they ask.
So explain to me how ignoring them does anything at all to the patriarchy.

trisher only females have a cervix, only males have a prostate

All people should be able to access healthcare and screening appropriate to their sex.

What needs explaining, trisher. I'm not sure I understand the question, but I'll have a go:

A transman is a woman who identifies as a man.

Women have cervixes, so transmen have cervices.

Cervixes can become cancerous, and smear tests can detect cervical cancer, so women are called for the tests.

Transmen, if they are being called for tests, must be on doctors' records as female, as that is what they are, so will be invited to attend for a test.

If they are not listed with a GP (perhaps because of moving house) their NHS number will identify them, but in any case they will be aware that their bodies are female whatever is going on in their heads.

Having made the decision to 'identify' as male, I assume that transmen will have considered their biology as much as, if not more than, the women who will also be invited for testing, so are at least, if not more likely to be aware of what a cervix is, and the fact that they have one.

So they are included in the invitations, and are at no more risk of cancer than other women. They are not being ignored, and they get the healthcare they need.

Have a missed anything?

trisher

Mollygo

FarNorth Thanks for posting the link.

It’s amazing how women were persecuted by men in the past and are still being persecuted by men and some women who support the patriarchy and it’s still not seen as wrong.

So what would you do about transmen Mollygo I'm really interested to have it all explained to me. Personally I support their right to define themselves as they wish, to ask that their gender choice be respected and that any healthcare they need should treat them as the gender they ask.
So explain to me how ignoring them does anything at all to the patriarchy.

... an invitation to a trans man, or a woman, can be worded in exactly the same way... "you are invited for your cervical screening test".

Both trans men and some women, for various reasons, do not have one any longer in which case you just call and say so. It's neutral and therefore inclusive.

And nurses now, when they take down your details, usually ask, "how do you wish to be referred to?", or "what name do you want us to use?", and you tell them and they respect your choice. And that's it.

Doodledog very clear post yet again ???

Galaxy

We arent ignoring them. I have told you a thousand and one times now.

See trisher, we aren’t ignoring them. How many times does it take?

The NHS explains very clearly what gender dysphoria is

It also states that trans men may not be called for screening if they have changed their name but that trans women will be called for breast screening should they have transitioned far enough to grow breast tissue.

I don't know why it doesn't mention prostate checks so I might see if there is a way to contact someone and ask if there is a reason for that I don't understand.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

Well done Doodle yet again the voice of reason and clarity ??

VioletSky

The NHS explains very clearly what gender dysphoria is

It also states that trans men may not be called for screening if they have changed their name but that trans women will be called for breast screening should they have transitioned far enough to grow breast tissue.

I don't know why it doesn't mention prostate checks so I might see if there is a way to contact someone and ask if there is a reason for that I don't understand.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

"The GP is also responsible for making appropriate changes to patient record systems to reflect the patient’s desired future gender role and to ensure that such changes facilitate screening for physiologically appropriate risks. For Male-to-Female patients, this includes a theoretical risk of breast and prostate cancer, but not cervical cancer.

GMC - Ethical Guidance

VioletSky
The NHS explains very clearly what gender dysphoria is.
What a lovely blanket statement. The NHS is an organisation involving hospitals, medical staff, maintenance staff etc. at least provide the precise information about who explains clearly.
In the same blanket terminology,
The NHS also explained very clearly that a woman could not have been raped because no man was in the hospital.
This was later proved to be untrue so I’m not really placing much faith in the NHS.

So... A transman is a woman, they can pretend otherwise all they want in their day to day life but they will be called to screening tests as a woman and if they choose not to attend, and there are consequences to that, that's their own problem for choosing to live in fantasyland.

Is that about the size of it?

Herefornow Yes.

And the folk that think all trans women are sexual predators... Are you the same camp that believe all Muslims are terrorists?

Herefornow

It's am incredibly dangerous way of thinking that can and does lead to emotional or physical violence done against a minority group, yet those spreading fear and hatred will not take any responsibility for that. Simply because they don't understand how it feels or what it means to actually be trans I no excuse to do this

No amount of wittering on about gender dysphoria and how they just want to be their true authentic selves give them a free pass to abuse, attack, rape and assault anybody; male or female. Attempts to invalidate their victims minimises their feelings, their identity and their rights to live a peaceful and authentic life.

Tries to explain slowly. I dont think all men are sexual predators, but I dont think any men should be in female spaces. My brother is very nice he has no place in female spaces.

Could you point out where I have spread hatred VS.

Personally I support their right to define themselves as they wish, to ask that their gender choice be respected and that any healthcare they need should treat them as the gender they ask

Well, in some cases they just can't, trisher.

If an intact male who wants to be defined as a female comes to hospital needing to be catheterised it just won't be possible.

The length of a male urethra is around 18 to 20 cm. The length of a female urethra is around 3 to 4 cm. This means that a female catheter is much shorter than a male one. So a male catheter is approximately 30-40 cm long and a female catheter between 7 and 20 cm long.

You can treat them as any gender you like, if you dont treat people medically by sex you will cause them endless harm.

Herefornow

So... A transman is a woman, they can pretend otherwise all they want in their day to day life but they will be called to screening tests as a woman and if they choose not to attend, and there are consequences to that, that's their own problem for choosing to live in fantasyland.

Is that about the size of it?

I wouldn't have put it like that, and would never blame anyone for their ill health; but the bottom line is that transmen, by definition, have female biology and so will be called for female screening. What would you prefer to see happen?

Galaxy

Could you point out where I have spread hatred VS.

Suggesting that those who see sex and gender as separate would also see religion and terrorism as the same is not only ridiculous but also offensive, and shows extreme intolerance towards those of a different opinion.

Wouldn't it be better if people could just be kind?

Herefornow No.
The accusation about the folk that think all trans women are sexual predators. is usually hurled at posters who have said, time and time again that they are only concerned about ill-intentioned transwomen who seek to erode female rights.

None of the Muslims I know are terrorist, but unfortunately some are.