Girl Guide leader expelled from post.

I had written:
"I'd think the danger of men dressing up as girl guides so as to lust after them or rape them in ablutions and changing rooms, is worse than the questionable disadvantage of educating the sexes together."

FarNorth, I gather the problem with trans sex people who had once been men and are now women still look rather like men . Someone who is actually a man could pretend to be a trans man and gain access to women's ablution rooms and women's toilets.

Alexa you're really getting me confused now.

Gonegirl, that MN thread has 31 pages so I haven't read it all.
All the posts I saw were expressing concern for the safety of girls, and their right to have a single-sex group be just that.
If you saw any objectionable posts that you'd like us to know about, please let us know what they were.

FarNorth if you take my writing on this issue seriously you risk being as confused about the whole situation as I am myself.

Quoting FarNorth ^If you saw any objectionable posts that you'd like us to know about, please let us know what they were.*

Eh???!! Are you one of them (MNHQ?

If not, who are "us"?

For those at the back - intersex people are either male or female. It is extremely rare that anyone is considered both sexes.

Having spoken to several intersex people over the last year or so, they are utterly sick of being used to prop up trans ideology. And why the LGBTQ alphabet soup now contains I for intersex, is s bloody mystery considering that it isn't even a sexuality, it's a medical condition.

Nobody can change sex and there is sex segregation for a reason. Not telling parents that they're allowing male bodied persons who identify as female into intimate spaces with their daughters is lying by omission and tells you everything you need to know about how much GG really cares about your daughters and granddaughters. AKA sod all!

Intersex people are also unhappy that they are now being sent to gender clinics just in order to obtain the HRT they need to treat their condition thanks to transactivists hijacking them to suit their narrative!

Precisely @notanan2 ! I'm so furious at people who spout half-cocked opinions without doing the research.

They may be happy for men to give our hard won rights away, but I'm not!

Of course there may have been men identifying as women amongst us for a long time without any one noticing! They may lead Guide groups. After all how would you know?

We do notice but have been too polite to say. I know 3 transwomen, and with the best will in the world, not a single one passes but we're too kind to say.

They're all at least 6ft tall, have large hands and feet, no waist and their jaws and brow ridges are more prominent. They also still behave in many ways like men because of all their years of male socialisation.

Trust me - we know

If FarNorth comes back to this thread, I would love to have an answer to my question of 16.27 today. Please!

Of course not Gonegirl.
I assumed there must be some posts on that thread, to which you objected, and that you might like to draw them to GNers' attention.

I only saw posts concerned about safety and the right to privacy and to Guides being a single sex organisation.

trisher, until very recently, a man who was found out claiming to be a woman and being a Guide Leader would immediately have been expelled from the post.
Now, they are being invited in without the knowledge of most of the girls and parents involved.

People may well be doing all sorts of things that they ought not to do.
That doesn't mean that even more people should be encouraged to do the same.

In the past if a girl saw someone with a penis in the girls showers she could run and tell a leader without being either disciplined, or worse, "re-educated" and told that being a girl is defined by what you wear and how girly you act and not your biology.

Oh and the girl's parents probably wouldnt be told that the incident took place at all to protect the boy's transgirls privacy..

To those saying "They're only children. What's the problem?"
here is a link from 2018 on the increase in peer-to-peer sexual harassment and sexual assault, including among quite young children.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43884776

This one too @FarNorth absolutely heartbreaking

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49084906?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education&link_location=live-reporting-story

From that link :
"The parents of a six-year-old girl who was sexually assaulted by classmates have called for a record to be set up showing all sex abuse between children.

Bella - not her real name - was abused by two boys at her London school almost every playtime for six weeks."

And it had been ignored by teachers.
Words fail me.

Heartbreaking and shocking.

There was a story recently about a school having to install CCTV in the unisex loos. Here's a thought. Why not have single sex loos.....

I see as usual the debate is distracting from the real issue by side tracking into reports of rape and violence. Let's look at the reality. Trans people have existed probably as long as people have. They are everywhere. And the belief that you can tell just by looking at them is ridiculous. My cousin is 6 feet tall, my friend's daughter takes size 8 shoes both are women, but according to DameJudyClench they look like men! It's somthing right wingers, who don't even recognise patriachy when they see it, are trying to pretend is feminism. It isn't. It is as usual a power play of the patriachy trying to stigmatise and label a minority group because that is what patriachy does. Well done Girl Guides for not conforming.

The topic of this thread - GirlGuiding's policy on trans people - is related to the topic of sexual harassment & assault in mixed-sex situations.

GirlGuiding should stop claiming to be single-sex as it is now, in fact, mixed-sex.

Then parents and girls would be aware of the true situation.

Another related topic is that of the huge increase in numbers of children 'identifying' as the opposite sex.
The numbers of 'trans-identified' adults are increasing too.
That makes the risk much greater than previously.

(Not that all trans people are predators - I'm sure you can figure it out for yourself.)

FarNorth if that is the case then, as transexuals have always existed and they have been changing gender physically for a long time so they may have been involved in Girl Guiding for ages, it has always been mixed sex. Nothing, except for the wording, has changed. Oh and a few reactionary people starting to realise they can hitch their prejudices onto feminism.

Transexual adults with a GRC may have been involved in Guiding.
Not men or boys who simply 'identify as female'.

So it's about a small number of people who may take advantage to harm girls? Can I remind you that there are predatory lesbians about who could do the same thing and it is just about as likely. Safeguarding is an issue taken seriously by everyone who deals with children whatever their gender and they will as usual protect children. This is a non-event which is providing fuel for the voices of hate and prejudice.