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The ghoulishness of Hallowe’en?

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MawBroon Sun 14-Oct-18 10:11:38

There was a letter in the DT yesterday from a woman who had recently lost her mother, saying she feels she cannot cope with the “ghoulish” imagery of Halloween.
Setting aside what I suspect most of us feel about the incredibly overdone Halloween “thing,” it got me thinking too.
OK it is all a bit of harmless fun for the kids, but the graveyard/skull/skeleton imagery is also very disturbing especially to the recently bereaved.
Graham Norton, the DT’s “agony uncle” gave this advice

Don’t focus on the morbid imagery and more ghoulish elements, listen instead to the excited screams of the children, their joy at dressing up, their laughter when they see their friends in costumes saying this is a reminder that life goes on.
I am sure he has a valid point, but this aspect of death (skeletons , ghouls, ghosties etc) is not one I am comfortable with dwelling on, nor I hope do the DGCs make that connection with the smiling loving Grandpa they have lost.
Any thoughts?

Anniebach Thu 18-Oct-18 21:31:41

I am not interested in that, I am speaking of the Christian Church now not hundreds of years ago.

For those who are grieving I promise you All Souls Day is to pray for the dearly departed .

notanan2 Thu 18-Oct-18 21:32:52

So back to the prior post about halloween being anti-christian . It can't be. The Church joined in and adopted its own variations of it.

Anniebach Thu 18-Oct-18 21:37:35

Halloween in not part of the Christian faith .

May as well bring up witch trials . Most of us have moved on

PECS Thu 18-Oct-18 21:43:31

This may be QI for some of you.

www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/holydays/halloween_1.shtml

notanan2 Thu 18-Oct-18 21:44:17

Extra prayers for the dead are very much still practiced around halloween in many christiam churches so variations of Halloween IS part of the christian faith for many christians.

Anniebach Thu 18-Oct-18 21:46:18

The 7th century , that really is living in the past is it not

PECS Thu 18-Oct-18 21:50:00

Well the Bible itself is pretty much from the ancient past!

Anniebach Thu 18-Oct-18 21:53:04

Aw, so it didn’t win the Booker Prize , that’s a pity

PECS Thu 18-Oct-18 22:42:36

annie ! I was just pointing out that if you thought 7th Century was living in the past the Bible was even older!

Jalima1108 Thu 18-Oct-18 23:18:15

www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/it-wrong-celebrate-halloween

Apples and pumpkins are part of Hallowe'en because it was when the Celts celebrated the harvest.
The various Roman, Celtic, Christian festivals have all been combined over the years for pragmatic purposes - ie the Christian church using the dates of pagan festivals to encourage people to change over to Christianity.

Polly48 Fri 19-Oct-18 07:12:14

Er........Graham Norton is a agony uncle?!

Anniebach Fri 19-Oct-18 08:38:57

Thank you Jalima

M0nica Fri 19-Oct-18 16:14:57

Yup, he can be read on the back pge of the DT on Saturdays and the advice he gives is thoughtful and caring.

Polly48 Fri 19-Oct-18 16:38:37

Oh thanks MOnica - I’ll have to check that out in MILs paper tomorrow - I like him

M0nica Fri 19-Oct-18 20:47:23

It is the back page of the section of the newspaper called 'Saturday', or .Week End'. I think they changed it recently, but one or the other. DH buys the Saturday DT intermittently. Only on weekends when he thinks he will have time to read it.

absent Sat 20-Oct-18 05:30:36

I am giving a Halloween party for my grandchildren and some of their friends. Yes, there will be an element of shrieking and shivering, but there will not be anything ghoulish or truly frightening. We shall hang artificial spider webs from the rafters in the lounge – I do hope that will not be the day the agent comes round to inspect the house – and have food with names that create a frisson and a giggle. We shall play noughts and crosses in the garden with green and white squash, have a [plastic} spider race by blowing with straws, a colouring competition (age appropriate) with harmless and unalarming pictures. It will be a couple of hours of light-hearted nonsense for ages three to eleven and the plan is that everyone goes home having had fun and plenty of slightly unusual things to eat and no one has nightmares. P.s. I make mean edible witches brooms with pretzel broomsticks and slivered sliced cheese for brushes, tied on with chives and the monster bones are made of meringue.