What did Prince Phillip mean to you?

We’ll said Casdon my sentiments exactly!

Casdon

Badly done to suggest that it is in some way easier for rich people to bear grief. Your grief is based on your love for the person who has died, not on material things or circumstances. Guilt, anger, physical discomfort and other factors will make you feel terrible of course, but I don’t think they are part of the grief itself, nothing can make that easier for anybody who has loved and lost.

I’m honestly not saying it’s easier if you’re financially secure - I’m saying it could well be harder if you’ve got money worries. I’m not sure how emotionally your grief and worrying about the bills are not intertwined.

You will have a harder time if you’re financially insecure, or feeling guilty, or whatever your personal circumstances of course, but grief for a loved one is overwhelming for everybody regardless of every other factor, and being wealthy does not diminish any aspect of your grief. The other elements are different emotions, not part of the essential grief itself in my opinion.

Suzie let’s say the Queen can grieve in comfort, as the old saying goes.

I don't see where anybody has said grief in and of itself is lessened if you are well off, but of course diverting the conversation to suggest that has been said is a good way of discrediting other posters.

But life after widowhood for a rich person in their comfortable surroundings with their loyal staff is going to be different than it is for a person trying to live on the state pension in a high rise flat with no visitors or family to look after them. To suggest otherwise is just wrong.

It was Espee’s comment that prompted my reaction Alegrias1. Having money does not make grief easier, nor does ‘grieving in comfort’. I don’t think it is a distraction from the thread either, it’s a fundamental issue.

No, not a diversion, I agree. But pretending posters are saying something they are not, is a way of pointing fingers and making the other poster out to be the bad guy. I think its unpleasant.

I tried to explain earlier how not having enough money can leave one feeling that one has not done ones best for the person that has died, it was a personal observation, based on experience, I do not think it was unpleasant or disrespectful.

I feel sympathy for the Queen, but was never a huge fan of Philip with his rude remarks, which didn’t exactly endear him to the colonies. He was a man of his time I guess. I was a royalist but reading about the Queen’s Consent and her lobbying for exceptions to suit herself and hoard wealth and the hijinks with Prince Andrew, I’d prefer if she was the last English monarch. I read an article on the royal family’s ‘work’, which averages out to only 4 months full time work a year. As I live and breathe. And all of it just events and shaking hands. Nice if you can get it.
I will be sad when the Queen dies however.

suziewoozie if lack of money makes grief worse surely it follows - money makes grief easier and I still say this is not so.

Anniebach

suziewoozie if lack of money makes grief worse surely it follows - money makes grief easier and I still say this is not so.

I’ve nothing further to add - we’re just going round in circles.

Having enough money to do the best for a loved one once they have died is connected to grief. Grief is approximately the same for rich and poor, it is the emotion that goes with the loss and period of time that the feelings of that loss can be addressed.
Someone who is poorer may want to get the best of everything for the funeral but being sensible about funeral costs, and then headstone if it has been a burial can make the grief harder to bear.
If a richer person has to do the funeral much of the financial burden is lessened and there is no added discomfort of not providing the best that one can do, there is a huge difference.

Well grief is more difficult if you can't afford a burial or cremation and it is left to your local authority to sort out.

Grief is more difficult if you are going to have to move house because your specially adapted bungalow needs to go to someone else who needs it more than you do now.

Grief is more difficult if you have 4 weeks to pack up your belongings to go into a flat organised by the local authority that may not be in your current area.

Grief is more difficult when that means leaving your existing family behind.

Grief is more difficult when you have no money to move your belongings.

Grief is more difficult if your welfare payments have halved.

Grief is more difficult if you were your late partners carer and below 66 and have to go out and find a full time job.

Grief is more difficult if your own health has suffered because you were a carer.

Honestly, the list is endless. Money gives you choice and it does cushion the blow of you being forced into a succession of other life changing events.

The emotional pain IS the same though. I don't think that can be argued.

A hard act to follow is how I observed Elizabeth & Philip
and consider a privilege to have experienced.

You’ve got it JaneJudge! The emotional pain IS the same!

Philip was born into a life of privilege that is not his fault it is just fact.
In no way am I saying he had it easy in his informative years,
and life gave him some hefty blows.
His mother however was born in Windsor Castle and he was of Royal blood he had considerably better opportunities in this life than many others.

BlueSky
Grief does not recognise wealth.

Yes, and grief is an emotional pain , this is what I have been trying to explain , thank you JaneJudge

Yes Phillips mother was born in Windsor Castle and when he was 8 years old she disappeared.

Anniebach ; sadly heard that Phillips mother had a breakdown and was admitted to a mental institution and later became a nun.

There are gaps after that but it is said that she also died in Windsor Castle and is buried in the family vaults where the chapel is that Phillip is going for his funeral.

I did not have a very high opinion of him. Over the course of the past five or so days, I have heard reports of a different and nicer side to him. So maybe the excessive reporting has given me a more balanced opinion.

vegansrock

tickingbird are you referring to the “usual hate filled bunch” that bog on about Harry and Meghan

No, just the ones who ‘bog on’ as you put it about the rest of the Royal family and pointing out that, if the same royalists were filling these threads praising H & M, the republicans would be spewing their bile and vitriol about them too.

3nanny6

Anniebach ; sadly heard that Phillips mother had a breakdown and was admitted to a mental institution and later became a nun.

There are gaps after that but it is said that she also died in Windsor Castle and is buried in the family vaults where the chapel is that Phillip is going for his funeral.

Prince Philip’s mother died in Buckingham Palace. She was initially buried in the Royal Crypt but was later reinterred in Jerusalem, as she had wished.

I just don’t understand why some bring up wealth and privilege
when a member of the royal family have suffered pain.

The queens grief. Philips childhood, when these are spoken of
we hear of their wealth.

Phillip was 8, his father hopped it, his mother was diagnosed as
a sufferer of schizophrenia, he was separated from his sisters, one died in an aeroplane crash.

But he was lucky , he went to Gordonstoun etc, as if scars from
childhood vanish because of wealth.

Despite a hard childhood Philip had many opportunities not given to other people and he utilised them; others born into similar situations wasted them. It was ever thus.