The NHS will test all children who believe they are transgender for autism under new plans seen by The Telegraph.

I enjoy my views being challenged so afraid you have got that wrong. I am not sure exactly what you want cleared up, so can't really help you with that.
Returning to the discussion as these spats tend to distract from that. I would have thought that people would be relieved that someone, anyone is looking at the possible link between autism and gender dysphoria. There have been significant failures with regards to the long term follow up of young people presenting with gender dysphoria, it would be very reassuring if that was to change.

PoliticsNerd

What did I say that made you think I was trying to close you down Mollygo?

The same as you said about me closing discussions down.

Comorbidity doesn't necessarily mean caused by. We cannot look at a condition like autism and expect to see identical issues in every person and until more research is done the same is true of gender dysphoria.

Hi everyone, I wanted to take a moment to address a situation that has arisen in our discussion, regarding the comments about "hate speech." This was quite an extreme accusation which proved to be unsubstantiated and untrue.

I believe we all want a constructive environment. I want, with respect, to request an acknowledgment regarding the accusations. I feel it's vital that we communicate openly even when our viewpoints differ.

I value the opinions within our group and believe that addressing misunderstandings can help us grow stronger as a community.

Thank you for reading.

OK obviously you can request anything you like.
If you have concerns you can report via the usual system.

I'm going to be rather abrupt and say, that those who cannot apologise or be accountable should be avoided in every area of life.

Luminance

I'm going to be rather abrupt and say, that those who cannot apologise or be accountable should be avoided in every area of life.

That’s OK Luminance.
I’ve heard that sort of vs before.

Sorry. Pressed send too quickly.
You’d be amazed how many people share the same view.
The problem is always that opinions sometimes differ on what requires an apology and what people should be accountable for.
Don't you think, always avoiding situations or people you disagree with in any area of life instead of facing up to them is sometimes taking the cowards way out?

I never have to avoid people I disagree with who can be accountable and apologise, they would be welcome in my own living room to discuss a topic with me and quite often are. I have never felt I had to agree with someone to have a positive relationship with them.

I never have to avoid people I disagree with
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Mollygo Can I please ask you, do you understand what virtue signalling means?

What concerns me is the motion passed by the BMA resident doctors, (formerly junior doctors, representing possibly 50,000 doctors in training,) concerning the judgement passed by the Supreme Court ruling that transwomen are not legally women, nor transmen legally men.
They called the ruling 'biologically nonsensical' and claimed a binary divide between sex and gender has no basis in science or medicine while being actively harmful to transgender and gender- diverse people. . It condemns 'scientifically illiterate rulings from the Supreme court, made without consulting relevant experts and stakeholders that will cause real world harm to the trans, non-binary and intersex communities in this country.'
So even though it is the law they will reject it as they sought to do with the Cass Review last summer.
It worries me that these doctors may well be the ones conducting examinations on children to identify possible autism.

7 years of medical school and they still haven't grasped O level biology eazybee; terrifying when you think about it.

Sounds very strange indeed.

Its standing is currently a motion by Junior Doctors, but it is understood that the BMA's official position will not be decided until a conference in June.

In a sense what does it matter, Streeting has been really clear that the NHS must follow the law. There was always going to be a lot of shouting following the ruling.

Luminance

I never have to avoid people I disagree with who can be accountable and apologise, they would be welcome in my own living room to discuss a topic with me and quite often are. I have never felt I had to agree with someone to have a positive relationship with them.

I never have to avoid people I disagree with who can be accountable and apologise

But what if, in fact, they are right and you are wrong? Why should they apologise? Would you apologise? Or are you always right?
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Carlotta

7 years of medical school and they still haven't grasped O level biology eazybee; terrifying when you think about it.

Depends what they were taught in school I suppose.

The youngest child can tell the difference between men and women. It's really not that difficult. Medical students are dealing with real bodies not imaginary ones.

The motion concerning the Supreme Court ruling is due to be discussed in June. It is the openly declared defiance of the law that is so concerning; the body proposing it includes students in various levels of training and those I believe to be qualified doctors in the early stages of their career, the notorious Dr.Beth Upton being one such.
The contemptuous terms of the statement, 'biologically nonsensical' and ' scientifically illiterate',are a clear indication of the arrogance of these putative members of the medical profession and do not bode well for the future.

Well said eazybee.
These young doctors might have Big Brains but no humility. The Supreme Court isn’t to be dismissed in the way eg the original Harry Potter child stars dismissed JKR

Allira

Luminance
I never have to avoid people I disagree with who can be accountable and apologise

But what if, in fact, they are right and you are wrong? Why should they apologise? Would you apologise? Or are you always right?

That a really pertinent question Allira.

I'd like just one of these arrogant young doctors to show the world the third, fourth or more gamete. If they don't understand that biological sex is determined solely by the gametes a body should be able to produce then I don't want them to so much as take my pulse. Every single mammal reproduces by sexual reproduction, one contributing a large gamete and called female, the other contributing a small gamete and called male. They're juniors who profess to know more than a world leading expert in fertility and therefore biological sex, Sir Robert Winston. As for their despicable use of 'intersex' people, every single DSD is exclusive either to males or females, they are not a third or hybrid sex.

Another one.
Britain's first Transgender Judge is planning to take the Government to the European Court of Human Rights in the wake of the Supreme Court Ruling.
Victoria McCloud quit the profession ( legal?) claiming he could no longer do his job without politicising the judiciary.
He has a gender recognition certificate, and intends to use the ECHR to have the ruling declared unlawful.
He claims "I am a woman for all purposes in law but I am a man for the Equality Act 2010....so I have to probably guess on any given occasion which sex I am in fact supposed to be."
Claims to feel 'contained and segregated' as a result of the ruling.
Apparently little chance of winning the case.; the Scottish Government has already accepted the ruling; no route to take the government to the ECHR.
Again, it is these people thinking they are above the law.

I saw that too Eazybee. Just another bloke saying "the law doesn't suit me so I'm going to get it changed to the way I want it".

What happens now with people like Dr McCloud who have had their sex changed on their birth certificates?
Presumably after this ruling, as a legal document, it is now false.