Vaccinations from next week

Callistemon

^worldwide cooperation by the best people (sadly with very little input by the UK)^
We were talking about the Pfizer vaccine, were we not.

So you believe that the best people all work for Pfizer? Do you think that the rest, including all those brilliant scientists working on this in the UK, are second-rate?

I do not believe that.

The scientists who developed the BioNTech vaccine don't work for Pfizer anyway, in the same way that the people working on the "British" vaccine don't work for AstraZeneca.

biba70

An excellent question Lizbeth - you should ask Hancock, Ress-Mogg, Williamson, Sharma, Dorries and all - because they took great delight in highjacking this amazing, truly international effort- for their nationalistic Brexit related aims.

Yes, they did indeed. They introduced something totally irrelevant - and lied about it anyway. It was totally right that they weren't allowed to get away with it. There's been too much drip drip "fake news".

Lizbethann55

biba give it a rest!!! Hancock et al may well have hijacked it. But you don't need to. Nor do the all the other moaners. Rejoice, celebrate, be happy, look to the future. Or start your own post. I am sure you will get lots of reactions and comments. But please , leave the rest of us with our pleasure of a very different 2021

Some people don't take much delight in frolicking in fields like unicorns on crack.

Hancock, Dorries, Rees-Mogg etc lied through their teeth and it was absolutely right they were pulled up on it.

You have no right to say who posts on this thread. Some people like the truth.

welbeck

have read that they've changed the priority, and NHS workers will not now be in the first tranche.
the hospitals where it is being sent will offer it first to all over 80 aged patients, inc out-patients attending appts.
they wanted this to include care home residents but logistical problems mean it is unlikely till next year.

Lol! There's been another U turn since then.

growstuff.......and there is far too much drip drip of moaning, whining and negativity too!
And as for U turns......I think that generally ( and especially in this case) they are a good thing if it means that rethinking something due to new evidence means a better outcome.

Is the moaning, whining and negativity all lies too? Aren't people allowed to take issue with lies from government any more? Should we all take happy pills and pretend everything's OK.

There hasn't been any new evidence with the vaccine. The problems with transport and storage have been known for weeks. No, this is about a government which couldn't organise the proverbial p*ss up in a brewery.

The limit on the number of doses which could be released have been known too - as have the problems Pfizer is having with its supply chains, which means that it can only promise to deliver the number of ordered doses over the next few weeks anyway.

I'm putting vaccines (hopefully temporarily) in Room 101 alongside 40 new hospitals, 50,000 nurses, oven ready deals, laptops for pupils, catch-up tuition, etc.

......and yet...the UK will be ahead in Europe in using this vaccine for it’s elderly....so doing something right it seems.
The logistics are problematic of course with this particular vaccine, but never the less, people will be vaccinated very soon.
Sometimes good things happen...let’s celebrate that fact.

I think Fauci has a point over the swiftness of the U.K. s regulating the vaccine.

It almost certainly does play into the anti-vaccers hands as we have witnessed on here.

There really aren’t many anti-vac posts on here, most posts show that people are happy about the vaccine.

France says that they will start vaccinations in a matter of weeks, there will be anti-vac people there ( and everywhere)
But compared to the amount of people who will have the jab, hopefully it won’t matter much.

lemongrove

......and yet...the UK will be ahead in Europe in using this vaccine for it’s elderly....so doing something right it seems.
The logistics are problematic of course with this particular vaccine, but never the less, people will be vaccinated very soon.
Sometimes good things happen...let’s celebrate that fact.

Why celebrate? Should we clap our hands in the street?

The vaccine won't be delivered to most care home residents for some time - that's a fact.

How do you know that other countries won't vaccinate their care home residents before the UK does?

Whitewavemark2

I think Fauci has a point over the swiftness of the U.K. s regulating the vaccine.

It almost certainly does play into the anti-vaccers hands as we have witnessed on here.

Fauci doesn't have a point at all. Even Fauci says so. He's apologised.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55177948

Alegrias2

Whitewavemark2

I think Fauci has a point over the swiftness of the U.K. s regulating the vaccine.

It almost certainly does play into the anti-vaccers hands as we have witnessed on here.

Fauci doesn't have a point at all. Even Fauci says so. He's apologised.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55177948

I should have qualified my post.

Fauci had a point after he had apologised for his hasty off the cuff remark about the accuracy of the safety results, but added the remark as per my post.

I still think he has a point.

Fauci has said he didn't mean that the speed of the approval was any cause for concern. He says that in the attached video.
You still think that statement, which he has retracted, was correct.
OK.

Just pointing that out for everybody else.

Just looking forward to next week and the start of the inoculation program.??

The scientists who developed the BioNTech vaccine don't work for Pfizer anyway, in the same way that the people working on the "British" vaccine don't work for AstraZeneca.

You're missing the point, growstuff.

What Fauci said was really a message to Trump, who reportedly has been throwing a strop about why HIS team hadn't beaten the UK to be the first. So it was meant as a kind of defence of himself and his colleagues rather than a put-down to the UK. Though Gavin Williamson did rather invite put-downs with the way he gloated

lemongrove

France says that they will start vaccinations in a matter of weeks, there will be anti-vac people there ( and everywhere)
But compared to the amount of people who will have the jab, hopefully it won’t matter much.

Surprisingly lemongrove in the homeland of Louis Pasteur and Marie Curie,
^ This week, anIpsos surveysuggested that 46% of French adults say they will refuse the jab.^
Britain compares favourably at around 21%.

It seems to me that this government were trying to take credit for a vaccine that had been developed by another country which was wrong. It annoys me just as it would have annoyed me if another country had tried to take credit away from the Oxford vaccine. And we still don’t know if there will be difficulties in the supply chain from Belgium from January 1st do we? Or has that been sorted?

Alegrias2

Fauci has said he didn't mean that the speed of the approval was any cause for concern. He says that in the attached video.
You still think that statement, which he has retracted, was correct.
OK.

Just pointing that out for everybody else.

No you are not understanding what I am saying.

Fauci originally indicated, - although he subsequently said it came over incorrectly (Hmm)- that our regulatory system was not as thorough as it should be.

He then apologised and said the speed of the regulation would give succour to the anti-vaccers.

So what I am saying is that the speed has given a handle to the vaccers to hang their argument on. I am not saying they are correct but it is indisputable that is exactly what they have done.

So I thought the remark of Fauci’s had a point. The speed has indeed been used by anti-vaccers to further their argument.

I`m 68 and a disabled.....life is difficult and I don't wish to live to ripe old age, so I`ll have the vaccine and take me chances

I apologise WWM2. You are right, I didn't understand your post, my fault. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Do you think Fauci is trying to give reasons as to why the Moderna vaccine wasn’t authorised until after the election. Is there criticism from Republicans that they deliberately slowed things down. I’m just thinking out loud by the way.

Alegrias2

I apologise WWM2. You are right, I didn't understand your post, my fault. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

???have an excellent day!