I’m being made to feel stupid for sticking to the rules, anyone else?

Elegran

Growstuff If the survival rate is 99.85 in a hundred, then the death rate is the remaining 0.15 in a hundred, which is about one in thirtysix. If the figures were publicised that way round, as death rate instead of survival rate, perhaps fewer people would be conviced that it is just a mild illness.

But that isn't the survival rate. It's more like 97 point something.

I agree that the figures could be better presented, so that people had a better understanding.

Even if most people survive, it's still like Russian roulette and that's not a game I'd be keen to play.

0.15 in a 100 isn't 1 in 36 (I don't think).

1 in 36 deaths would be a survival rate of 97.23 (I think).

There are lies, damned lies and difficult sums.
My post at 13:22:12 (.15% death rate) is a load of cobblers. The one at 13:32:09 (2,78%) is more like it

I tried to get my calculator to express 2.78% as one in ?what? as it seemed to me to round about I in 34 . It came up with one in just under 36 (35.97 if we are splitting hairs) , which sounds to be in the right ball-park.

Too bloomin' many to be comfortable, anyway.

I think some people need to go back to school and learn some basic maths.

School was a long time ago, GrannyRose15 I memorised a formula into which to put the figures so as to get out percentages (and in reverse to turn percentages into a one-in-XX statement where XX is not 100) but I am afraid the results sometimes don't appear totally convincing, and I am humble enough to ask for confirmation from those who deal daily with juggling figures.

Some other people need to go back and learn some basic tolerance.

If the rate is 2.78%, then per million people that’s 27, 800. There are 12 million over 65s in the UK, so it is 333,600. That is a lot of lives, and the rate increases over the age of 50 so it’s actually more than that.

Maybe her friends have sensed that most things just don't add up. Boris looks dead and deflated when he is made to read out those words live on TV. Look up his speeches and you'll notice the difference straight away. He has had to make some pretty awful announcements in his career.
Ask yourselves, why wasn't the country locked down because of the flu in 2014/15 & 2017/18?
Why is nobody dying of cancer, heart attacks and pneumonia anymore?
Why according to the governments ONS figures have the total deaths from all causes not been elevated this year?
Then the biggest question is: Why is just about everyone connected to this whole thing from start to finish ('it' will never be finished by the way) got one or both feet in EUGENICS?
I have spent hundreds of hours trying to prove myself wrong. I'm sorry but its impossible.
For a really good easy start, sign into the 'WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM' website get yourselves a dive into their information wheel. Enlightening.
Why do 'they' call us useless eaters?
The government have had pensioners choosing between eating and heating for the last 25 years. Why are they suddenly so concerned about us now?

Casdon

If the rate is 2.78%, then per million people that’s 27, 800. There are 12 million over 65s in the UK, so it is 333,600. That is a lot of lives, and the rate increases over the age of 50 so it’s actually more than that.

Hi! Back again! I wasn't sure if my maths was right and I was in a hurry. Yes, it's a heck of a lot of people. When Prof Ferguson was talking about those sort of numbers, people thought he was exaggerating. They're why I won't be following Loobylue's link. Covid deniers depress me.

GrannyRose15

I think some people need to go back to school and learn some basic maths.

I know I certainly do. It really frustrates me that it takes me so long to work out what formula to use, when I used to be able to do this stuff in seconds.

I think the scariest statistic is that it's estimated that 1 in 50 people is currently infected (higher in London and parts of the South East).

How many people do you think are in a supermarket at any one time? I don't know, but it's probably more than 50 at busy times. That means that, on average, one person is infected. Hopefully, that person is wearing a mask and not touching all the tins on the shelves.

With exponential growth, it wouldn't take long for that single supermarket shopper to have seeded 36 more cases.

That's why infections in schools have been rife.

Casdon

If the rate is 2.78%, then per million people that’s 27, 800. There are 12 million over 65s in the UK, so it is 333,600. That is a lot of lives, and the rate increases over the age of 50 so it’s actually more than that.

Casdon This is all doing my head in and I've forgotten what the original link said, but I think the 2.78 deaths was the number of people per hundred of those who have tested positive. Obviously, the whole population hasn't tested positive and not everybody who has had Covid has been tested, so the case/ fatality rates aren't entirely accurate.

Anyway, 1,041 deaths were announced today with 62,322 newly registered cases.

Anybody who makes somebody feel stupid for wanting to be careful should go and give their head a thorough wobble.

There are 30,451 hospitalised Covid patients.

You’re right growstuff, it was just a projected figure if everybody caught it, based on the mortality rate reported so far. Hopefully it will be much less than that, although if the rate of growth of the virus doesn’t slow down soon before the benefit of the vaccinations kicks in it will still be many thousands more people unfortunately.

Don't just stick to the rules. Go beyond the rules if you can, which is what we have done since last March.

Just because the government says you can mix with so many people in such and such a setting does not mean that you have to.

I don't very often give this government credit for anything but I do think one thing they got right was recognising how much more difficult life was for folk who live alone and allowing them to form a bubble with one other household.

Tenacious B
Opinions are opinions and all of us entitled to them. You are annoyed your opinions are subject to criticsm
Ditch those who do not share your opinions and find those who do.

I have just met a friend for a socially distanced walk as permitted.She openly told me their daughter spent 2 hours in gridlocked traffic and several hours at Kings X on that Saturday 'fleeing 'London to come back up North where we've had much tougher measures but numbers were coming down,Thanks for that.Our DD is an ICU nurse and without falling out I did try to say that the problem is hundreds of others doing the same was a bit insulting to those unable to spend Xmas with their families because they are actually working flat out in hospitals.They urged their daughter to come home.She is an adult with a nice flat shared with good friends.Am I harsh in feeling angry and upset ?

Well I just fell out with someone big style. He was continuing on doing just as he always had and refusing to consider the risk he was taking for himself and others. His justification being that he doesn't like being in his flat all the and, as he's no experience of ICU he's not scared of catching Covid. No sense at all.

Isn't it frustrating.?Another DD was set to come home for 4 days at Xmas but when it all changed she didn't.We count ourselves luckier than some that when restrictions ease in the summer we did meet up a couple of times.And that we can talk,Zoom and WhatsApp as much as we like.I changed the subject with said friend for fear of losing it.It is as if all the scenes on TV from hospitals is in a parallel universe to some folk.Sadly too much of a reality for others.As a retired nurse I just go to bed each night thinking of all the health care professionals and thanking my lucky stars I'm not in their position.And worrying for the sanity if those key workers in our immediate family and their families.Rant over !

"Gaslighting" similar to what Tenacious has experienced really bugs me. I don't know how many comments I've read, where people have accused others of being scared or too stupid to understand that it's not as bad as the government wants us all to think.

A friend living in London emailed today and said that UCH London is now just a covid hospital.