Vaccine side effects

I am interested in hearing all points of view. Watching all the news from all sides and learning as much as I can from everyone, be that Doctors, nurses, professors, scientist or just your average 'Joe blogs' and the GNetters on here, it's all of interest to me.

I would never dream of telling or encouraging anyone not to get the vaccine, if that's what they've decided to do. But seems if someone has the guts to say they will not, all hell brakes loose. If someone has another point of view 'woe-be-tide' I would truly love to see the other point of view on the main stream news channels & radio stations, cos you don't, just one tunnel view which is not the view of the whole of society.

Yes, but you, your family friends and neighbours, colleges and students may well be the ones who give my family friends and neighbours etc etc the COVID that could make them very ill, even kill them.

It is not a fair swap.

mistymitts

Yoga girl, as I thought, thinking of yourself and not the wider community's

Quite the contrary, I'm allowing those who want the vaccine to have my shot, and my second shot. They will also get all my families, my friends & neighbours, colleges & students. So not selfish at all, very giving!

There is a lot ofconfusion about herd immunity. The term is used like a magic incantation, as though all we need is to mutter "herd immunity" to invoke it and we all will be well. BUT you can't just do nothing and wait for the years it would take for herd immunity to happen naturally (if ever).

Each member of the herd only has immunity if they have caught the disease, survived it and developed antibodies to it which will go into action the next time they meet it so that they are able to resist it or fight it off without being too ill The ones who didn't catch it the first time round still have no immunity so if they come into contact with it they will still catch it, and it will be as virulent as it was when others caught it for the first time.

The "herd immunity" is only helpful when enough of the individuals in the herd are immune, so that it becomes unlikely that those without immunity will come into contact with it. The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. For CoVid19, the percentage needed is unknown.

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death.

There is a very good World Health article on herd immunity at www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19 I would recommend that anyone who thinks that "herd immunity" can be achieved without either vaccination or a LOT of acute illness, longterm medical complications, disfunctioning economies and administrations and deaths should read it.

Why does the vaccine require years of testing? Medications, including vaccinations have never required that in the past and do not require it now.

The COVID vaccination has plumbed into a well of medical nostalgia. We haven't yet had yearnings for the old days when country doctors were frequently irascible and ingnorant, who felt 'women's problems' were for enduring not treating, but I can see it coming, Dr Finlay here we come.

Since the 1940s there have been enormous leaps forward in treatments, technology, knowledge and science. These changes mean that vaccines and other medications can be developed manufactured and tested in a fraction oif the time it used to take. These vaccines are safer than many of those that went before.

The Ebola vaccination was developed with similar speed, that was nearly 10 years ago. I have yetto hear of any long term side effects.

Yoga girl, as I thought, thinking of yourself and not the wider community's

What do you understand about population (aka herd) immunity Yogagirl?

Santana....thank you for your post. Now I think I know why I have been having headaches. I also am having an alcohol free January, that is probably the reason. I had thought it was anxiety but I am always anxious, nothing new there. Must be lack of alcohol. Going to carry it through in February as drinking can affect your TCells and so really undermine your immune system. The truth about your immune system, BBC . Interesting programme. Also, gut health, very important for healthy immune system.
When offered, will also take up the vaccine. I have asthma, also mysteriously caught Nora virus a few years back and thought I was going to die. Do idea how I caught it, and the same could happen with Corona Virus. I have had every vaccine under the sun fro Travel purposes to South America, India etc. I would rather have the vaccine than get seriously ill, wouldn't anyone?

mistymitts

Yoga girl. You say that you and all your friends and family will not be having the vaccine. You have researched it and seem quite sure of your decision. Based on that, do you think that everyone else should also agree with you and follow your example. And if not, why not. And if you do, what do you suggest the world does to stop this disease killing millions of people instead, shall we all stay in lockdown forever?

Another stupid question.
Certainly not, individual choice. Same as with yearly flu, that sadly kills many, herd immunity.

Yoga girl, if not, then are you not just relying on everyone else having the vaccine so that you can feel safe. Are you thinking as an individual or are you thinking for the benefit of society, ie the world. Show me your argument please, if you don't think it safe and won't be having it, surely the same applies to everyone, in which case, how are you going to stop people dying in their millions a very horrible and tragic death.

Yoga girl. You say that you and all your friends and family will not be having the vaccine. You have researched it and seem quite sure of your decision. Based on that, do you think that everyone else should also agree with you and follow your example. And if not, why not. And if you do, what do you suggest the world does to stop this disease killing millions of people instead, shall we all stay in lockdown forever?

So just make sure when posting that Lucca would agree with your post, otherwise she'll be running to GNHQ saying Miss, miss, yogagirl said this, yogagirl said that, miss, miss

yogagirl there is a responsibility for social media platforms not to publish fake news, to quote anti-vaxx propaganda or other non-facts which, if followed are deemed dangerous.
I cannot think for one minute that GNHQ will only listen to “the gospel according to Lucca” but have adjudged your posts to breach the “false information” guidelines.
No one member has that sort of influence.

Dear oh dear,
Yes I reported your false information posts. It is dangerous to spread false information about the pandemic. However I doubt I was alone and I certainly do not have enough influence on GNHQ to sway them had they not agreed with me.
So sorry it’s not a case of agreeing or disagreeing with my posts.

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M0nica

Yogagirl penicillin is far more dangerous than the vaccine. That is why my question was not a stupid question.

We now now know you would not ban penicillin even though it is dangerous to far more people than the vaccine, but are worried about the vaccine. The next question is why do you consider the vaccine more dangerous than penicillin?

The vaccine hasn't had the normal years of testing. No one in this world knows if penicillin is more dangerous than this new vaccine. You don't know & nor do I.

Bravo GNHQ

Yogagirl penicillin is far more dangerous than the vaccine. That is why my question was not a stupid question.

We now now know you would not ban penicillin even though it is dangerous to far more people than the vaccine, but are worried about the vaccine. The next question is why do you consider the vaccine more dangerous than penicillin?

MawBe

^GNHQ has put a gagging order on me, I therefore cannot join in this discussion & say what I know because GNHQ have told me I will have my membership cancelled^

Is this right?

Yes Mawbe have the email still.

Yet another stupid questions Monica!

To answer I am allergic to Morphine, along with Penicillin of course I would not ban it. It pains me to be forced to answer such a pathetic moronic question from you again!

No doubt GNHQ will delete this, yet when I'm told I don't have 2 brain cells to rub together & other such insults, that's just fine post!

GNHQ has put a gagging order on me, I therefore cannot join in this discussion & say what I know because GNHQ have told me I will have my membership cancelled

Is this right?

Yogagirl, I would be interested to hear your answer to the penicillin conundrum. I am sure that is not covered by any gagging order.

Vaccine day plus 5 now. Slight headache and sniffly-ness all gone and I feel fine. Many of my friends and neighbours around here have now had the vaccine and, from what I have heard, all are doing ok.
Life is full of risks. We have to use our judgement and balance those risks against the risk of NOT having vaccinations etc.

MOnica
I am of the belief that when informed ' may experience etc etc etc ' we will.{grin},

QuoteM0nica Sun 24-Jan-21 10:15:03
Yogagirl, you are flogging a dead horse.
Poor horse Monica, I would never do that to a horse!

Monica cluster of 8 should be investigated, it could happen by chance. if you add the three in the UK you have 12 cases

I can assure you Monica there is not just 12cases! GNHQ has put a gaging order on me, I therefore cannot join in this discussion & say what I know because GNHQ have told me I will have my membership cancelled. I've been on GN for more than 8yrs, but normally stick to one subject, that of loosing my D&GC.