You couldn't make this up could you? Wonder how they voted... Elderly Britons are REFUSING Pfizer's vaccine because they'd rather 'wait for the English one' | Daily Mail Online

biba70

Callistemon

Not a snowflake in sight.

I never called them snowflakes or say that they swear.
I said they sound dreadful.

well, sorry, but they are wonderful and very caring and intelligent. Just despair that their parents have voted to strip them of their rights, of their livelyhoods and future, and their security, and that of their children- those people's grandchildren. And just cannot bear the lack of awareness of such, lack of contrition and how the fear, distrust and even worse, of foreigners and everything foreign, is tainting and guiding their views.

Many who already live abroad and are now not sure what will happen next- and those who were planning to travel and now find that they can no longer- and that their parents are to blame.

They are upset, and no wonder.

What has this to do with octogenarians’ vaccination preferences?
Oh of course, it’s Brexit again -duh!
As for your quoted and how the fear, distrust and even worse, of foreigners and everything foreign, is tainting and guiding their views I have never read such tosh - insulting of everybody in the U.K. (but as you are British, presumably you exclude yourself )
It is a known fact that gleaning one’s information solely from the internet tends to reinforce prejudices, and my goodness this is completely borne out by what you describe which is totally at variance with what I and I expect most of us are seeing and experiencing in the U.K. today

I don’t expect you will accept first hand experience, though, preferring to give credence to your young friends that is, in their more sober moments.
Get real.

Best if I don't post some of the ones I've seen today who have been pretty damning and not mincing words about their DM reading mothers- some of them have had to take to drink

biba, Your comments make me think of my grandmother who took a very dim view of melodramatics.

If ever she thought I was playing the drama queen she'd snap, 'That's quite enough Sarah Siddons from you, young lady!'

Please Biba70, give it a rest. We have lived and breathed Brexit for years now. It's over, sadly. I voted R. as did ever single member of my family, from those of us in our seventies to the youth wing in their 20's and 30s. All equally distressed, for all the (what I see as the 'right' reasons).
One son in law has Leave voting members in his family. He loves them and they love him. An occasionally heated discussion took place, end of story. If people behave in the way you're describing, it's my strong view that relationships were not strong to begin with.
I never use the term snowflake, find it extremely offensive. So to describe young people in a positive way by saying "not a snowflake in sight" is equally offensive.
We are in the middle of a pandemic. We have a man who is either deranged/personality disordered/bonkers/out of control/ dangerous (take your pick) still in the White House with a number of days in which to continue to create chaos.
Brexit is done. I wish it wasn't and maybe one day things will change but for now, other than accepting its causing mayhem as was predicted, we live with it, as best we can.

Callistemon

^Not a snowflake in sight.^

I never called them snowflakes or say that they swear.
I said they sound dreadful.

well, sorry, but they are wonderful and very caring and intelligent. Just despair that their parents have voted to strip them of their rights, of their livelyhoods and future, and their security, and that of their children- those people's grandchildren. And just cannot bear the lack of awareness of such, lack of contrition and how the fear, distrust and even worse, of foreigners and everything foreign, is tainting and guiding their views.

Many who already live abroad and are now not sure what will happen next- and those who were planning to travel and now find that they can no longer- and that their parents are to blame.

They are upset, and no wonder.

Oh sorry I'm not meaning to scaremonger just trying to point out that there are many questions about vaccinations, particularly new forms, that need time to answer.

Yes, I think we do need information and have been trying to read as much as possible, I just wondered if you had any links to useful information, in particular about any interaction with RNA treatments.
They are being investigated as possible treatments for Covid.

I was merely reflecting on conversations I have had with professionals and trying to point out that elderly people should not be deemed ridiculous for voicing their concerns

That seems reasonable enough to me.
Nor should their political views or electoral preferences be called into question Wonder how they voted - that is both patronising and offensive.
We have long prided ourselves in the U.K. on our secret ballot which means that how we vote is nobody’s business but our own.

We have all kinds of medications / treatments that people take for all kinds of ailments without querying them much--or at all! Because we are all a bit on edge now and have time to reflect there is time to worry! I am sure either vaccine is as safe as any medication can be. There will always be contra indications and a small percentage who will have an adverse reaction. The vast majority of those receiving the vaccine will benefit without any problems.

Oh sorry I'm not meaning to scaremonger just trying to point out that there are many questions about vaccinations, particularly new forms, that need time to answer.
I'm not into ant-vax 5G conspiracies, actually as part of my work I used to promote the measles vaccine amongst some ethnic minority communities extremely opposed to vaccinations.
I was merely reflecting on conversations I have had with professionals and trying to point out that elderly people should not be deemed ridiculous for voicing their concerns.

For example: how it will sit with future RNA cancer treatments or future vaccines against more virulent mutations

You've lost me there staca
Could you direct me to some reputable, scientifically researched links?

You’d be surprised by the daft questions some patients ask or believe!
I remember one patient saying that her daughter could not possibly be pregnant as she was always in by 9.30 and didn’t know any boys!
This is just as ridiculous as insisting on the ‘ English vaccine’

Not a snowflake in sight.

I never called them snowflakes or say that they swear.
I said they sound dreadful.

I bet you the people waiting for the "English vaccine" haven't a clue about cancer treatments or mutations. Some of them have probably had cancer treatments. Do you think they ask who developed or merketed the drugs that were used?

staca Could you give more details? That seriously sounds like scare-mongering, like some of the ridiculous scare stories about 5G technology.

Elderly people are quite capable of conducting their own research and voicing their concerns without being branded as stupid old dears. They are also able to negotiate the pages of the Daily Mail without developing a fascist rash,
There are questions about the Pfizer Vaccination with the new RNA bio technology which may take years to answer. For example: how it will sit with future RNA cancer treatments or future vaccines against more virulent mutations. Younger people are also concerned about fertility. Do we really know?

Callistemon

^Best if I don't post some of the ones I've seen today who have been pretty damning and not mincing words about their DM reading mothers- some of them have had to take to drink^.

Thank goodness my children are better brought up than your young friends.
They sound quite dreadful, biba!

Oh I can assure you they are very polite- the words they use are not swear words, I can assure you. And decent, hard-working young people with eyes, hearts and minds opened. Not a snowflake in sight.

Kandinsky

I didn’t realise having a mother who read the daily mail was a reason for becoming an alcoholic - that’s a daily mail story in itself!

During the last years of her life, I sometimes used to buy my mother the Daily Mail. I'm wondering if I should have gone to the newsagent in disguise, in case anybody spotted me and ever accuses me of being a Daily Mail reader.

PS. It never drove me to drink.

Mine are abstaining for January.
I expect DD will be on the phone shortly, making sure I'm not either reading the DM or on Gransnet, otherwise she will be running down to the offie.

Grannygravy
Absolutely.

"Hurrah for Gin"

Oh my! My DDs are too busy working /homeschooling/ getting by to worry what I am reading.. but , to be fair, they would take to drink (more!) if they thought I was reading DM and believing it! Morning Star is more reliable imo. Nothing wrong with reading a wide range of media outlets.. it is good to challenge your own values and attitudes.

janeainsworth

I wonder what these distraught young women who are driven to drink at the thought of their mothers reading the Daily Mail think about those who repost the DM’s articles on social media?

Oh goodness!
Bad enough to read the Saturday DM magazine clandestinely behind closed curtains but to let your DC know

I only read Monty Don's page and the TV times, dear, honestly.

It can take a lot of (entitled) snowflakes ❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️ to cover a ski run

You must know a similar group of young people to me GrannyGravy. The young parents in the school yard that I speak to on a daily basis speak of exactly those concerns. As do my DS and DIL. I've never heard them say anything other than that they can't wait for the vaccine to become available for them and their families. <<wanders off scratching head>>

I'm teetotal but even I feel like having a quick snifter after reading this! It's just beyond ridiculous!

All the young folks I know, and I do know a lot have far more to witty about than their mothers reading The Daily Mail

Covid-19

Home schooling

Paying bills

Whether they will have a job at the end of lockdown

Trying to keep a relationship going in lockdown

The above are just a few I could think of which have been discussed by young folks that I know since latest lockdown