Son and wife not having the vaccination

My DS & DDL have both decided not to have the vaccine either. At first I was not very happy about it but both they and our DGS aged 12 have all had Covid this year. Fortunately apart from fatigue and joint pain with my DS they have all got over it pretty much OK as it was a very worrying time for us. My DDL unfortunately doesn’t even believe in painkillers so I new there wasn’t much hope of her having it but I did hope my DS would get it. They both been reading books (The truth about Covid ) and watching YouTube channels on conspiracy rubbish so I have given up trying to persuade him. I’m not happy either that they are both going abroad on holiday in June so have warned them we won’t be seeing them for 14 days after they return. I didn’t want the vaccine at first due to it being to ‘new’ but in the end decided to take it when offered after seeing both of them extremely ill and my brother who nearly lost his life to it and now has long covid and aneurisms through It. I’m on the at risk register and to be honest my DH and myself have had both vaccines now so that hopefully if we did unfortunately get it it wouldn’t kill us.

Before the average person leaves her bathroom in the morning they will have put at least a 100 chemicals on their body- shampoo, conditioner, creams, make-up, etc etc.

Good grief. What on earth are they doing to get so many? It must take a lot of their time.

Not in my house but most of the products I use are basic, organic things and I hate make up.

A couple of my work colleagues refused to have the jab, one was a conspiracy theorist and the other said they don't need to as everyone else is having the jab so that will protect her ? also we work in care so l think it should be mandatory

I think that the anti vaccination movement became more entrenched with the MMR and the bad handling of the way it was enforced. Taking away a parent's choice to have the vaccinations individually, even if they paid to have it privately, rather than all at once was a hammer to crack a walnut. Couple that with the CJD fiasco, the HIV denial and similar from the Government of the day, has set up an unease from people to accept things at face value. I know that I feel that bombarding baby's immune system at a very young age has never sat comfortably with me and I have always held back for another month or so before starting the vaccination regime. My children were older when they had their first MMR vaccine but I held the youngest back until just before puberty because I was concerned about the side effects.
I can understand anybody having reservations about a vaccine hurried through the testing process. However, on balance, we chose to have our jabs because Covid was so prevalent that it seemed to be a no brainer. If they were my family, I'd probably be honest and say I had hoped they would have the vaccination but whatever they choose, I respect their right to make that choice.

I do agree that everyone had the right to choose what to do,but I don’t get really why anyone would choose not to be vaccinated.People seem to be weighing the risk of dying of covid against possible ( maybe there,maybe not...) long term effects of the vaccine,but what about the really quite well known long term effects of having Covid? Even possibly symptomless Covid.And the risk that if enough people refuse the vaccine,added to the people who can’t have it and those in whom it doesn’t “take” then we will get new variants,maybe more dangerous variants,and the whole thing will start up again.
( My daughter had the Astrozeneca jab and felt awful for 3-4 days,but 3-4 days while unpleasant is nothing really,a bad cold could do that, and flu used to knock me out for 10 days .Not that I’ve had that for a while ,because I get the flu jab ...)

I have a friend who refuses to have the vaccine. I'm afraud she has gone down the rabbit hole and believes every bit of tripe that nutcases have posted on twitter. That it will alter our DNA, cause all kinds of weird things down the line, even that it may be an excuse by the government to kill off old people and reduce population. (I think covid itself was doing a pretty good job of that!) Some people won't see logic and would rather believe utter nonsense. I don't get it. As for the tiny little possible risks (like blood clots) - there are higher risks with medicines we take routinely every day. Not to mention the risks of actual covid. It's just stupidity. I am losing patience with it.

As a retired paediatric nurse I was not allowed to work, in fact not even hired for the job if I did not have the necessary vaccines to protect the children I cared for. I consider myself to be an open-minded person, but I will never "agree to disagree" with a person who refuses the jab. Did these people not see all the people in intensive care on ventilators with Covid??? I better stop now, or will go on forever.

I’m 68 with restricted lung capacity and would not eg voluntarily sit around a dinner table indoors with unvaccinated adults nor in close proximity outdoors. We have a family member in her forties who is anti the Covid jab and I’m afraid I won’t be inviting her to stay! Non-vaccinated people are more of a risk because they have a higher transmission rate and also contribute to the emergence of variants. Sorry, it’s selfish and stupid and you are not being unreasonable!
I’m not risk-averse, I’ll be looking after my grandchildren again once I’ve had my second jab but that’s a risk I’m willing to take. Not willing to take for an adult who has a choice.

Why should we respect their point of view? Unvaccinated people will be the reservoir for the mutations that we may not be able to vaccinate against. Unbeknown to us they will be amongst us and spreading, egoists.

Perhaps a reverse psychology may work? Those when the time comes wear a mask saying unvaccinated so we all know to avoid them?

You’re not being unreasonable. Having vaccines is an easy choice given the science and history of vaccines but some people have always had to be persuaded to have them for even the most horrible viruses in the past including smallpox & polio. Relying on others to take responsibility so you don’t have to is a singularly unattractive quality in anyone. Thank goodness most people know this! I suspect peer pressure will make most of the reluctant people comply eventually if not health and safety/insurance requirements at work.
At moment we won’t have people in the house who haven’t been fully vaccinated unless there’s a genuine medical reason why they haven’t - if this puts pressure on them to step up and take proper responsibility for everyone’s health including their own then great. We have vulnerable relatives who need us to keep being careful in our exposure to infection if we’re to see them and friends who work on the NHS frontline who will only socialise with people taking care to reduce infection. Supporting them is our priority.
I’m far more concerned about protecting people who can’t have the vaccines rather than those who choose not to take responsibility of having it. Most younger people are also having the vaccine if offered so age is no excuse. We all need to play our part if we want to walk our way out of this pandemic sooner rather than later. Taking a stand on this issue isn’t unreasonable at all

Having discussed this issue with 2 of my DDs, one is keeping a watching brief whilst the other is not going to have a vaccine. They both feel that any long term effects cannot be known and are not sure if there will be problems in the future.

They have the right to decide not to have the vaccine and as I have had both of mine I will be supporting them in their decision.

There are enough problems in the world without indulging in family arguments.

Just to add all the GCs have had the childhood vaccinations as have my DDs.

love0c

Humptydumpty My apologies! the under 40's. Not reading back what I type! That was my point to the OP. Clearly more info is coming out regarding these vaccines. To think just a few weeks ago they were saying 'perfectly safe for all ages'' and now??? Her son an DIL are correct in my opinion not to have any vaccine at the present time. OP should feel glad they have made this decision. I hope my adult children give them a miss.

First the under 30s, now the under 40's, what next?

I got the impression, possibly wrongly, that the age limit is not about younger people being more likely to get a blood clot but about the balance of risk of death from COVID-19 versus the risk of death from a blood clot and that older people are more at risk from COVID-19 than younger people ON AVERAGE.

But average is not everybody.

But I am not a clinician so this is just wondering and I might have got it wrong.

A man of 59 died from a blood clot after a vaccination.

So it seems to me that everybody needs to make his or her own decision as to what he or she thinks best for themselves in the circumstances as they see it.

Something being rare does not mean that it never happens. If it never happens to anybody there would not be discussion about it!

Missingmoominmama

I wish I hadn’t had the vaccine (I’ve had both). The inflammation (and pain) in my body has got much worse since.

People have the right not to. I was unsure, but was told by work that I had to; I wish I’d just found another job tbh.

Too often employers seem to think they own people who work for them.

there are higher risks with medicines we take routinely every day

There are no medications I personally take routinely. I won't start taking any medication without a consideration of the side effects, how necessary they are and what the alternatives are. I am an avoid medications as much as possible person.

I don’t get really why anyone would choose not to be vaccinated

Previous bad experiences with a vaccine or vaccines maybe?

3nanny6

I am getting ready to run and hide but I just thought I would mention that I was told by a nurse doing the vaccine that certain people who are turning down the jab will be able to get the vaccine in tablet form although it will not be ready until about August, I think it is for people that have had poor reactions to other vaccines and medication.

Nothing is one hundred percent safe, read the leaflets inside you medication box, you risk driving a car every day, but no one refuses to do it.

Absolutely agree with Franbern. I have a very disabled GD and protecting her from Covid has been a nightmare for the family. They are now so relieved that life will get easier with all those involved in her care have been vaccinated. Life will never be normal for them but at least they feel less worried and safer. I have no respect for those who refuse to be vaccinated - they are being utterly selfish. Have they been vaccinated against polio, smallpox, mumps, measles, rubella, diphtheria, hepatitis? Etc etc ....if so they are not only selfish but also hypocritical and irresponsible. When they get ill from whatever - they will be relying on those who have been responsible enough to protect themselves, to look after them.

CafeAuLait

*there are higher risks with medicines we take routinely every day*

There are no medications I personally take routinely. I won't start taking any medication without a consideration of the side effects, how necessary they are and what the alternatives are. I am an avoid medications as much as possible person.

I don’t get really why anyone would choose not to be vaccinated

Previous bad experiences with a vaccine or vaccines maybe?

> I don’t get really why anyone would choose not to be vaccinated

There is the logistics of getting to a vaccination centre and back home weeks before the vaccine starts to work.

It takes much longer for the vaccine to work than for a COVID-19 infection to cause serious illness.

So, the risk of being in a taxi there and a taxi back effectively being in a small room with a stranger for quite a time not knowing who else has been in the room and having the vaccination balanced against staying at home in isolation without being vaccinated.

Which choice to make? Which choice better to have made back in January when the second wave was high?

My SiL is a GP. I only found out last week he hasn’t had the jab. I admit I was a bit uncomfortable then having him in the house. All my family have had it and to find the only doctor not having it was astonishing. I think it’s that he can’t be bothered more than that he’s anti vaccine. He’d rather work 24/7 and earn more £s for his large bank account (do I sound bitter ? ?).

All I can say is I hope they change their minds. This is a killer disease. It took my FiL just before Christmas and people are dying in awful conditions around the world.

Whatever your reservations are, the time has come to put them aside and protect others.

Other than a few drops of the polio vaccine on a sugar cube in the 1960's, I have not had another vaccine since (until now) This one I felt pressured into. Both my adult children are pro vaccine and I felt to continue seeing my only grandchild I needed to get it. Another reason ... After hearing that you may not be able to go to the cinema or have a meal in a restaurant etc etc unless you had proof of receiving the vaccine.

After hearing that you may not be able to go to the cinema or have a meal in a restaurant etc etc unless you had proof of receiving the vaccine.

With streaming of movies and restaurant food deliveries, I wouldn't mind so much.

A difficult one this.

No, you are not being unreasonable.

Do you know why they are refusing the vaccination?

That might be the place to start.

They are adults and like you have the right to make their own decisions. However, they are making a decision that affects you too.

Certainly, you can tell them that you will only invite them into your garden and not into your house, and that you will not be resuming child-care, but frankly doing so is cutting off your nose to spite your face. You could end up completely estranged from them.

Now that you are vaccinated you have far more protection against the infection than before.

Could you work out a compromise with them that does not only entail outdoor meetings?

Hand disinfection, a window open whilst they are there, if it is warm enough, perhaps surgical masks worn indoors?

Or are they hard-core deniers of the infection ?

Carolpaint.
Oh dear bad case of covid fear!
Bit ott if you ask me.

CafeAuLait

*After hearing that you may not be able to go to the cinema or have a meal in a restaurant etc etc unless you had proof of receiving the vaccine.*

With streaming of movies and restaurant food deliveries, I wouldn't mind so much.

You are quite right CafeAuLait ... It wouldn't really bother me either or ever going to a pub/club again. The not being allowed to see my grandson would. I look after him 3 days a week. But lots are pressured because of this and their jobs.