Reluctance of the young to be vaccinated?

Quite a lot of people have died or been made very ill by Covid
A very tiny percentage have had suspected problems with the vaccine

A lot more than have been reported

Are you asserting a cover up Biscuitmuncher? If so we really are straying into the realms of conspiracy.

It amazes me how you all blindly believe what you are told, from the most inept leaders

I know, we really should do our own "research", shouldn't we?

I do wonder about ‘no shows’. My first jab was arranged after a call from the GP. I was told that I’d be contacted in about 12 weeks for the second.

Dh had his first a week before I did, and was again contacted by the Gp for the 2nd, so I was expecting the same about a week later.

Nothing happened, so after another week or so I went to the NHS site to book, even though I’d been told I’d be contacted.

It came up with, ‘You missed your 2nd appointment.’

Er, excuse me, I never had an appointment!
Was able to book for the following day, albeit in a different area a bus ride away, but no problem.

Incidentally that area (a very densely populated part of London SW17) has a high percentage of BAME residents, and the vaccination centre was virtually deserted. I didn’t have to wait even for a minute.

Please don’t anyone tell me it was racist to have found this significant.

Biscuitmuncher

It amazes me how you all blindly believe what you are told, from the most inept leaders

Funny enough I dont listen to medical advice from politicians but from Drs epidemiologists and scientists who know quite a bit more than me
Does anybody really think the medical profession would cover up deaths from vacinnes

All the youngsters I know are keen to have the vaccine. Covid is going nowhere of it's own accord so we must find a way to live alongside it. Surely, none of us want to be living in lockdown every few months and being forbidden or restricted in meeting family and friends. Until something better comes along, the vaccines are the only way at present.

They now know what is causing the few problems caused by the vaccine eg they were using heparin (sp) for strokes which is now deemed to be unsuitable. All medicine comes with potential side effects. Look how even small changes at the start of the pandemic saved lives.

Biscuitmuncher the flu vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't catch flu, (but that's splitting hairs). Are you having the jab?

ExD haven't you heard, flu has been wiped out. No one has caught it! And am I getting the flu jab? No I've never had one

Biscuitmuncher

muse what other choice was there but stick to the lockdown laws? But I've a choice about having an untested trial drug, that's made a lot of people very ill for a disease that a lot of people recover from. Also all the vaccines we had as children stopped us from catching the disease, this one doesn't

There was a choice and some chose not to follow the rules. Again, that's where you contradict yourself. If covid doesn't frighten worry you, why did you follow the lockdown rules? With your beliefs, I would have thought you would have ignored the rules.

You are right, it doesn't stop us from catching it, but we develop immunity through vaccination which means there is a reduced risk of developing the illness and its consequences. This immunity helps you fight the virus if exposed. This is from the scientists and medical profession (who I believe) not leaders (who I do not trust).

Where are your figures to show a lot of people have had serious side effects from the vaccines? The NHS report So far, millions of people have been given a COVID-19 vaccine and reports of serious side effects, such as allergic reactions or clotting problems, have been very rare. Or do you disbelieve the NHS as well as the scientists.

muse I'd love to know what choice I had in following lockdown. I'm sure no cinemas or restaurants opened just for me!

I wish there was an "agree"/"disagree" button like the horrible "like" choice on Facebook.
I can see Biscuitmuncher's point in that the virus isn't fully tested, but in the end we had to choose between having a jab or risk catching a potentially fatal illness.
I chose the jab. You chose the illness.
(I'd also like a passport please)

I don't worry about vaccine refusers any more. Sure, the government/NHS should do what they can to make sure they get as many people as possible to take the vaccine.

But the take up has been fantastic. If there are people who persist in not wanting to take it, well that's their right. They may be completely deluded, but there you go. There's enough of us who have taken it that we're making a difference.

(Just got back from my second jag. Feeling happy/virtuous/safer/grateful)

ExD

I wish there was an "agree"/"disagree" button like the horrible "like" choice on Facebook.
I can see Biscuitmuncher's point in that the virus isn't fully tested, but in the end we had to choose between having a jab or risk catching a potentially fatal illness.
I chose the jab. You chose the illness.
(I'd also like a passport please)

Evidence that its not fully tested please?

Biscuitmuncher

ExD I feel it's been rushed out. It concerns me that the companies that make them have immunity from prosecution. A lot of people have died or been made very ill from the vaccine

Can you please provide the evidence about that a lot of people have died or been made very ill from the vaccine? If that’s the case, you surely have a duty to inform as many people as possible so we can make our own choices.

Biscuitmuncher flu has not been wiped out. People still get it and people still die from flu.

I foresee that there are going to be restrictions on what unvaccinated individuals can do, this coronavirus mutates so quickly. Corona virus may be here to stay and we won’t be able to travel to certain countries without a vaccination certificate.

ExD

Biscuitmuncher the flu vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't catch flu, (but that's splitting hairs). Are you having the jab?

The flu vaccine doesn't vaccinate against every strain of flu, only the ones which scientists think are going to be most prevalent. They can make an educated guess from the strains circulating in other parts of the world. The flu vaccine actually gives excellent protection against the variants which have been identified.

You're quite right, I have no evidence about adequate testing or not - just a gut feeling that most other drugs seem (again no evidence - just "seem") to undergo many years of testing before being released.
I am very grateful for it all the same, and was willing to risk a bad reaction to it for the cover it gives.
I had my first ever flu jab this year too.

Biscuitmuncher

ExD I feel it's been rushed out. It concerns me that the companies that make them have immunity from prosecution. A lot of people have died or been made very ill from the vaccine

The Covid vaccine was certainly fast-tracked because an unprecedented amount of money was spent on it. However, to say it was rushed out just isn't true. Scientists have been working on something very similar for at least 12 years. All of the vaccines completed the clinical trials required.

My son aged 23 can’t wait to have his vaccine, my daughter a nurse in London, has had both and is also pregnant.

ExD

You're quite right, I have no evidence about adequate testing or not - just a gut feeling that most other drugs seem (again no evidence - just "seem") to undergo many years of testing before being released.
I am very grateful for it all the same, and was willing to risk a bad reaction to it for the cover it gives.
I had my first ever flu jab this year too.

What holds most drugs back is money. With the Covid vaccines, money was no barrier and extra staff and capacity were brought in to do all the testing and evaluation. I know because a very close friend has been working on a similar vaccine for years.

Biscuitmuncher

It amazes me how you all blindly believe what you are told, from the most inept leaders

Don't worry yourself! I most certainly do not follow blindly what our leaders tell us. I listen to people who have been involved personally (three of them) and I read scientific articles.