Is it ethical to require a vaccine passport for entry to a club?

I'm sorry to hear about your mother and grandmother MoorlandMooner. I generally try not to comment on people who share their personal reasons for health choices but I'm going to this time.

I had a serious, massive bilateral pulmonary embolism nearly 10 years ago. They have no idea what caused it, but my health is permanently impaired. I had no qualms at all taking the AZ vaccine.

The type of blood clots that result from the AZ vaccine are very different to the ones I had. I know that I was at no more risk from the vaccine than anybody else. I'm not telling you this to berate you for not taking the vaccine, but I hope it will prompt you to find out more about the side effects and reconsider whether or not to have it.

Good post Alegrias. Glad to hear you survived such a terrible illness and are here to join in with the rest of us on here.

BlueBelle

Ok I agree to a point but does that then mean anyone who can’t have a vaccine through no fault of there own, can’t go out with their mates

Surely if it is unsafe for them to have the vaccine is unsafe for them to mix at night clubs etc. with large numbers of unvaccinated unmasked people.
Personally, I think we should have gone down the French route before we opened up.

I had to use proof to get into the Hampton Court Flower show and 14 year old showed proof of her lateral flow. Another grandchild does shifts for YMCA as most of the residents are refusing the vaccine so no it is not unethical.

I cannot see why it should or could be consider unethical to require people to show a vaccination passport anywhere at all.

Demonstrating that you are doing what you can to protect yourself and others from infection cannot be either unethical or immoral.

Here (Denmark) the passport does not require a smart-phone and an app as you can download it to your computer
and print it.

A friend who lives in Germany told me that there you go to the nearest pharmacy and ask them to print out your vaccination attest.

So presumably the U K could do something similar.

Being vaccinated doesn't mean you aren't infected with the virus so I don't see why just proving you have been vaccinated allows you entry to places over those who haven't - you could have the virus and they might not!

I'm 54 and have had both vaccinations and whilst entering a nightclub again will never happen, I may wish to visit a venue where "Covid passports" will be required in the future. No problem for me obviously but if I happen to be with a friend who isn't vaccinated (for whatever reason), it doesn't seem fair that I am allowed in but he/she isn't - see my earlier comment regarding one or both of us possibly still being infected, regardless of vaccination status.

I feel for the younger generation who are effectively being forced to be vaccinated otherwise they won't be able to enjoy the "normal" things that young people do. Covid isn't the only nasty virus/illness that we can catch from being too close to someone who is infected and, vaccinated or not, we can all still have it.

Some of the comments on this Forum are getting quite nasty, I had hoped that I had found a site that wasn't aggressive and judgemental like others I had been on (we are all entitled to our own opinion) but Gransnet seems to be going down the same road so think I may well not bother looking at it in future.

2 young people brother and sister teenagers met 3 teenage friends at a pub cup final day.
Next day one was positive for Covid
Few days later their 3 friends all positive for covid. Mother of first case and both parents of all 3 friends positive for Covid days later
Teenagers had all had one jab only due to age.
That's 11 positive cases from one crowded pub visit and all have symptoms pcr tests all positive
I know this family as the father is my son's best friend so this is not hearsay.
Yes there should be vaccine passports for pubs and clubs
These crowded places are v high risk atm

If it pushes young people to get vaccinated it has to be a good thing. Should be required from now, not 1 September.

As young people have so far been less likely to get Covid, they haven't had to think about it. If they now start going clubbing as if nothing has happened and Covid starts to spread amongst them, they may see things differently. I doubt it, but we can live in hope. Just be thankful that us oldies are now protected to a degree.
I read yesterday about trains being jammed full of passengers to a dangerous level.
We have to learn to take responsibility for ourselves. It is so easy to pre-book a seat on a train. It's then the responsibility of train companies to have very limited numbers standing and not in aisles next to people who bothered to book a seat.
Nightclubs never used to be packed to the rafters and we still had the best time but now it's all about money, pack them in, feed them cheap alcohol and to hell with the consequences....

Most you g people (i.e those who go to nightclubs) carry ID so why should they object to a vaccine passport.?

I'm not sure about this one. I'm very pro-vaccination for older and vulnerable people but Covid doesn't generally harm younger people so why vaccinate if they'll be OK if they get the virus? It might be better for future generations if a lot of people come to get immunity via antibodies rather than vaccines (not sure how clear I'm making myself here - I am not a scientist; it's just a gut feeling!)

There are sufficient proven cases of people who have been twice vaccinated contracting Covid, for it to be nonsensical to have to produce a vaccine passport for entry to anything, including clubs. I believe that the Health Secretary is double-vaxe and he has Covid which he may have passed on to the Prime Minister and Chancellor who are both now isolating. The much-vaunted vaccination was supposed to be our passport to 'freedom' but is proving to be a mixed blessing.

I think it's a heck of a lot more ethical than allowing people to freely infect others. Just as is happening now: why BJ didn't think of this BEFORE he opened everything up makes as much sense as all his other sh*t decisions. Like previous posters have said: stable door/ horses.

My son went to a nightclub last night and I went to collect him. Whilst he was in his cups he was telling me how he'd forgotten how a lot of the lads and lasses have a tally system of how many people they have had a kissing session with. He was asking how I'd feel if he suddenly brought some stranger back after a night out like some of the lads do. I told him that it would not be acceptable to me and although he was dismissive about having a stranger in the house for security reasons, he was surprised that anybody would want so much intimacy on a first meet after a lot to drink. It got me thanking about Covid transmission rates and how we are all still so vulnerable. He has had Covid and his first vaccination but many of the people he was mixing with "don't believe in the vaccination!" It is all rather worrying and I think it will be too late to lock the stable door in September.

I don't have a phone that does apps very well,so I went on the NHS website,where I was able to request a letter to be sent through the post.This arrived yesterday,it could be useful if I want to travel,or if proof is needed to get into anywhere(not a nightclub at my age) I think it's worth sending for this,for those of us who don't do apps.It doesn't seem to be very widely advertised.

Heard on the radio that it will be compulsory for any public venue including cafes, in France imminently because of the speed of increase in cases, so why not here? I’m happy to use one if required although my night clubbing days are over ?

I don't see anything unethical about proof of vaccination being required for entry. It's an individual's choice to refuse vaccination and they have to accept any consequences resulting from that decision, including the inconvenience of being refused entry to venues requiring proof of vaccination.

I agree that it's hard on those who are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons. I don't know what percentage of non-vaccinated people have genuine medical exemption (e.g. having been advised by a doctor, as compared to deciding for themselves.) I suspect it may be a fairly low figure. The risk of allowing medically exempt people into venues would obviously depend on the numbers involved.

For everyone else, you have to make your own decision and live with it.

I'm with you leeds22

A friend of mine currently has covid. Her son caught it on Euro footfall night. Friend didn't know he'd been out, he's usually very careful. Now the unvaccinated son, his unvaccinated partner, their 18 month baby and my friend all have covid. My friend is clinically vulnerable but IS at least vaccinated.

Ironically, this friend told me in March 2020 that I was neurotic for worrying about covid. Still, I hope she's OK and I'm doing her shopping for her.

I’m 65 and go to a lot of nightclubs but as a working medic, I’d like everyone one to be double vaccinated.

From the beginning of August we will have to show a certificate to go into a shop, cafe, restaurant. I don't have a problem with this given the current situation. Ethics doesn't come into it. It's just common sense. Since Macrons decree so many French have rushed to get the jab!

I agree with Bluecat if you choose not to be vaccinated then you have to accept there will be consequences to that.
For the people who are medically unable to have the vaccine that is more difficult but it would depend on the number of people at the venue.

@ muffinthemoo I completely understand where you’re coming from. Once you’ve been ill with Covid, lost someone to it and seen family members ( in the medical profession) suffer from Long Covid, it affects you deeply.

JaneJudge

I think it is being used so that more people get vaccinated too, maybe I am cynical

Is it ethical the passport seems to require an app?

you can get an official printed copy of your vaccine staus

Paperbackwriter

I'm not sure about this one. I'm very pro-vaccination for older and vulnerable people but Covid doesn't generally harm younger people so why vaccinate if they'll be OK if they get the virus? It might be better for future generations if a lot of people come to get immunity via antibodies rather than vaccines (not sure how clear I'm making myself here - I am not a scientist; it's just a gut feeling!)

its a wrong gut feeling. Unvaccinated people are more likely to get covid badly and more likely to pass it on. Would you say the same about not giving your kids/grandkids MMR?