COVID cases on the brink of breaking 100k a day (Zoe Covid Study)

Scotland seems to be doing better, almost certainly because of the mitigation that they have in place.

Big assumption WWM2. Back in September we had a peak of 825 cases per 100,000, when rUK overall was about 350. rUK is around 600 right now. All our mitigations were in place then, it was probably due to nightclubs and so on opening up - the rise started before the schools re-opened.

IMO, and its just MO, it is not nearly as linearly causal a connection as people might think.

rUK is around 600 right now.

Sorry, not rUK, the whole of the UK.

PippaZ

^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?

Well I've never felt the need to refer to another person's posts as "rot".

GrannyGravy13 Sat 30-Oct-21 12:45:12

Good post

My niece has just come back from Italy and says that tests must be paid for - a lateral flow test costs 50 euros and a PCR test costs 100 euros. I find this shocking and it must be impossible to know how many people have Covid in Italy

singingnutty

My niece has just come back from Italy and says that tests must be paid for - a lateral flow test costs 50 euros and a PCR test costs 100 euros. I find this shocking and it must be impossible to know how many people have Covid in Italy

I think there are plans to pay for tests in U.K. further down the line.

Alegrias1

MayBee70

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

^Because that's how LFTs work and what they are for.^

But you were implying that I was saying that everyone who sneezes might turn up asking for PCR tests. I was just pointing out that they needed to do a LFT, not a PCR.

Alegrias1

PippaZ

^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?

Well I've never felt the need to refer to another person's posts as "rot".

Oh dear that makes two of us as I do agree with pippa.

MayBee70

Alegrias1

MayBee70

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

^Because that's how LFTs work and what they are for.^

But you were implying that I was saying that everyone who sneezes might turn up asking for PCR tests. I was just pointing out that they needed to do a LFT, not a PCR.

LFT are for people not displaying any Covid symptoms.

PCR are for people who are displaying one or more symptoms of Covid.

Alegrias1 I think you’re right regarding the linear connection between the measures taken and the infection rate not being clear, because Wales has virtually the same measures in place as Scotland, but our peak has been a couple of months later and very high. Here it is being related to the children going back to school, and the test centre failure, as with SW England. Having said that I do think the measures make a difference, not least in terms of people’s confidence because they are doing something positive when they comply.

MayBee70

Alegrias1

MayBee70

My grandsons covid infection was picked up before he showed any symptoms on the LFT.

^Because that's how LFTs work and what they are for.^

But you were implying that I was saying that everyone who sneezes might turn up asking for PCR tests. I was just pointing out that they needed to do a LFT, not a PCR.

Everybody should be doing 2 LFTs a week, just as your daughter is doing MayBee70. By doing that, she caught your grandson's infection before he was symptomatic. I'm assuming he did become symptomatic, maybe that's incorrect. But anyway, she found it when there were no other indications that he had the virus.

Now, suppose we were told that sneezing, headache, a bit of a rash...etc. were all symptoms of Covid. If you have symptoms of Covid you are meant to get a PCR because the LFT is no longer accurate enough. So by extending the list of symptoms to include so many others that are not so indicative of Covid-19, but could be due to many other things, the government would be asking anyone with these symptoms to go for a PCR test, which would completely overload the system and mean that many more people than necessary were self isolating. Just because they had a bit of a headache.

Now some may say its worth it. I don't happen to think it is.

Casdon

Alegrias1 I think you’re right regarding the linear connection between the measures taken and the infection rate not being clear, because Wales has virtually the same measures in place as Scotland, but our peak has been a couple of months later and very high. Here it is being related to the children going back to school, and the test centre failure, as with SW England. Having said that I do think the measures make a difference, not least in terms of people’s confidence because they are doing something positive when they comply.

I agree Casdon

GrannyGravy13 Sat 30-Oct-21 12:45:12

When I set out three possible views of what the slogan "learning to live with it" means, I tried to show the diversity of people's definitions - not my take on it.

It doesn't matter what our personal views are if there is not a single, agreed definition. If there isn't we could as well be talking in a foreign language and that way anger, not discussion, lies.

PippaZ

*GrannyGravy*13 Sat 30-Oct-21 12:45:12

When I set out three possible views of what the slogan "learning to live with it" means, I tried to show the diversity of people's definitions - not my take on it.

It doesn't matter what our personal views are if there is not a single, agreed definition. If there isn't we could as well be talking in a foreign language and that way anger, not discussion, lies.

My three definitions are my understanding of how various groups in society view living with Covid based on family, friends and acquaintances going about their daily lives.

The fourth paragraph is how I am living with Covid

No anger, no foreign language just plain English PippaZ

Alegrias1

PippaZ

^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?

Well I've never felt the need to refer to another person's posts as "rot".

I have not said another person's post is "rot" Alegrais. You have decided to call posters scaremongerer's seemingly simply because they do not share your views. You have had the hubris to think you can chose those whose views are unacceptable. You have, therefore, decided they should be "called out" as if they were something akin to racists or misogynists.

I would say all that does display ^ a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

GrannyGravy13 Sat 30-Oct-21 12:45:12

When I set out three possible views of what the slogan "learning to live with it" means, I tried to show the diversity of people's definitions - not my take on it.

It doesn't matter what our personal views are if there is not a single, agreed definition. If there isn't we could as well be talking in a foreign language and that way anger, not discussion, lies.

My three definitions are my understanding of how various groups in society view living with Covid based on family, friends and acquaintances going about their daily lives.

The fourth paragraph is how I am living with Covid

No anger, no foreign language just plain English PippaZ

I understood that GrannyGravy and I did not say you were angry.

What I did say was it has no agreed meaning. You have yours as you have pointed out but it will not be everyones and therein lies confusion and disagreement.

PippaZ

Alegrias1

PippaZ

^ displays a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

I wonder if you have the modesty to admit that applies to you too?

Well I've never felt the need to refer to another person's posts as "rot".

I have not said another person's post is "rot" Alegrais. You have decided to call posters scaremongerer's seemingly simply because they do not share your views. You have had the hubris to think you can chose those whose views are unacceptable. You have, therefore, decided they should be "called out" as if they were something akin to racists or misogynists.

I would say all that does display ^ a breath-taking lack of understanding about how the language we use affects the feelings others might have^

I've noticed something on GN. People seem to think every post and comment refers to them.

Anyway, on a separate topic. This thread included people who were saying that the government were playing down infections. That's not a view, its an accusation. And its a fact, not a view that they are not playing down infections, there are different measures of the infection rate and there always have been.

Or the suggestion that we're in the exact same position as we were in April; that Johnson is prevaricating while its obvious what the action should be, just so he gets to go to COP26. ( India all over again ) Well the action isn't obvious, and none of us know whether he's prevaricating or not. Some have assumed he is because they pretend to know exactly what action to take.

And what about posts highlighting the magic 100,000 figure? A suspicious person might think that this was being used because Javid mentioned that we might get that high, using the daily figures as a reference. But we've got that high as an estimate from a non-governmental source. Two different ways of measuring it but being conflated in order to.... well, I don't quite know why. Let's be charitable and say lack of understanding.

You can call it hubris or anything else you like PippaZ, but when I see misinformation and exaggeration I'm going to post about it, mainly because I know the difference between opinion and reality.

We assume that of Johnson because he has history. As for statistics, they can be interpreted in any way that suits the person interpreting them. It just seems to me that the government are interpreting them in a way that doesn’t take the limelight away from COP26.

Of course everyone will have a different definition of the term “living with covid”

Two members of my family at the opposite range in age are both living with heart conditions. One is retired and of course has a wide option as to how they live their life, because they can choose to avoid crowded spaces etc. The other still under 20 and not so much of an option when it comes to living with covid, as college and mixing with friends is a vital ingredient for a teenager/ young adult.

Other members of my family are mostly reacting in the same way. Avoiding crowded spaces, wearing masks, keeping up with the vaccine and abreast of the latest information.

We are getting together as a family LFTs allowing. So far no one has tested positive.

I have however friends who are “living with covid” at what I see as a riskier existence. One in particular who is extremely vulnerable, but is choosing not to wear a mask, going to the cinema, crowded little tea shops and such. That is her choice and her way of “living with covid”

We are all different as pippa says. Nobody’s definition is exactly the same.

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Northern Ireland & Scotland’s figures for today.

Sorry cannot go with the conspiracy theory regarding COP26 as surely they would not have published the increase in Scotland’s cases?

Its not necessarily as big an increase as it appears to be. The reported figures over the last few days in Scotland have been lower than reality because of a data flow issue at the Glasgow Lighthouse Lab. So we need to wait until they publish the data by specimen date to understand how the figures have evolved over the last few days.

That could be Monday, the detailed data is not always published at the weekend.

I think the national figure will be produced via the Scottish Government, not at a UK level, they just amalgamate them.

You’re ahead of Wales then Alegrias1, ours aren’t produced at all on a Saturday so Fridays are reported on Sunday, and Saturday and Sunday both on Monday, which is why our figures always look terrible on Mondays to the uninitiated (eg the BBC!).

UK figures just published
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-another-41-278-coronavirus-cases-and-166-related-deaths-12455158

I agree people are making their own decisions on how they’re living with Covid. As we still mask, wash hands and avoid crowded places we also choose to avoid those who are less rigid than us. DD and GC’s lateral flow test three times a week.
Sad to see Tonga have their first ever case.

Casdon

You’re ahead of Wales then Alegrias1, ours aren’t produced at all on a Saturday so Fridays are reported on Sunday, and Saturday and Sunday both on Monday, which is why our figures always look terrible on Mondays to the uninitiated (eg the BBC!).

How bizarre Casdon! They must have Saturdays off!