4th Covid Vaccine Refusal?

We used to have thousands of people dying every week, now we don't. Because of the vaccines.

I'm a scientist and I can categorically tell you that googling is not the same as research.

Vaccines don't have long term effects.

Death rate has not risen because of the vaccines.

Think that covers everything...? 🐹 (This is a Guinea Pig, apparently, according to the emoji thing)

Tamayra

When will folk get the message The vaccines don’t work !
Lots of proof from both doctors & scientists if you care to research
Long term effects are not known & death rate risen for those jabbed. Folk are being used as Guinea pigs!

Hear Hear. At last someone who agrees with me.

Had my 4th today and will have every one that is offered I know too many folk who have had their lives ended or altered permanently by this awful virus Both Covid and flu cases in hospital have shot up this week In Scotland yesterday we were warned that we face "the perfect storm " in the NHS this Winter . #FullyVaccinatedAndProud

I still struggle with the idea of people accepting 6 doses of vaccine in a few years

Biscuitmuncher

I still struggle with the idea of people accepting 6 doses of vaccine in a few years

That's your problem!

Those who have been offered 6 doses know there's a reason.

I have had six, and very much appreciated that they were given to me. A few days after the last one I had my ‘flu jab and years ago had one for shingles. At my age I will take anything offered with open arms, I would rather be a live Guinea pig than the alternative.

Tamayra

When will folk get the message The vaccines don’t work !
Lots of proof from both doctors & scientists if you care to research
Long term effects are not known & death rate risen for those jabbed. Folk are being used as Guinea pigs!

Why are you spreading myths that death rates have risen for those jabbed?

I despair when people take the time and trouble to post such nonsense.

I will have any vaccine going ..Had 3 Covid jabs and my flu one. I still wear my mask on buses ,crowded areas and shops. A man sat by me the other day on the bus. He smelt strongly of cigarette smoke been years since I smelt anyone that bad. He was in his 70's and proudly told me he has never had flu or Covid jabs and no intention of having them. But if he smokes that many cigarettes to make him smell that smoky surely his lungs are damaged and therefore more at risk of ending up in hospital if he gets flu or Covid.

People are and always will be in 2 camps those that believe in having vaccines and those who are don't.

It's like people who refuse to have the free health screening you can have for various cancers . Because of health and I take anything offered to me.

We are lucky in this country we can get these things via the NHS.

Biscuitmuncher

I still struggle with the idea of people accepting 6 doses of vaccine in a few years

Here we go again!
You don''t need to struggle, it's none of your business.
Having had six vaccines and a dose of anti virals, prevented me from dying of Covid, as I certainly would have done otherwise.
Do you think you know more than my clinicians?

Tamayra

When will folk get the message The vaccines don’t work !
Lots of proof from both doctors & scientists if you care to research
Long term effects are not known & death rate risen for those jabbed. Folk are being used as Guinea pigs!

Oh for crying out loud!

When this pandemic first hit us, how many people were in hospital fighting for every breath ? How many of those who caught it died?

Then the vaccines were developed, and the majority of people in the UK have now had several jabs. The aim of vaccination is to lessen the effects of the virus and cut down the number of deaths it causes.

How many NOW in hospital fighting for their lives have been vaccinated and how many haven't? How many deaths from Covid are of vaccinated people and how many to unvaccinated? The answer to those questions is a measure of whether the vaccine works or not.

Do you even know the answer to those questions, or any of the others? Or even WANT to know, because it might make you discover that you were wrong.
Try reading this - ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination or if you prefer a simple picture, look at the one with this post.

Please read the link I gave to ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination It explains the difference between headline figures and the true meaning of the figures. I tried to copy and paste it, but it it wouldn't copy the diagrams, which are very clear and make sense even to those who don't like numbers.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202301/medium-147054-covid-switzerland.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202301/medium-979068-covid-usa.jpg

Elegran, is this what you are trying to post?

Hear hear Marydoll. As many of you know, I had Covid before I was able to have any vaccinations. I ended up in hospital for twelve days, on oxygen for eleven days, on steroids, antibiotics, antivirals, heparin injections, a drug to break up the mucus I told the doctor I felt I was drowning in (can’t remember the name) omeprazole to clear the acid caused by the high dose steroids, and two, or was it three drugs that I can’t even remember what they were or what they were for. I had pneumonia, and needed a CT scan to check whether I had clots in my lungs. I was lucky, I didn’t. My daughter, a doctor, rang to enquire how I was (no visitors) and spoke to a doctor that she knew. He said they were hoping I’d recover, but it was not a position that he’d have liked his mother to be in. I actually think I would have died without treatment. Trying to breathe through thick secretions and blocked airways, having a very low amount of oxygen in your blood, sitting up and leaning to the left to help you breathe (I was told this helps but they’re not sure why) but I was doing this naturally as I struggled to breathe. I’m sorry, I know many of you have read this before, but I really think that vaccine denial shows a complete lack of comprehension of what Covid can do to a person. I’ve had all four of my vaccinations and will continue to take any others offered.

I struggle with the idea of NOT having the covid vaccination which has so undoubtedly saved so many lives.

Marydoll

*Elegran*, is this what you are trying to post?

That is one of the diagrams/graphs in the part of the article that I was trying to copy. There are graphs of the relationship of proportion of deaths relevant to vaccination in various countries. It wouldn't let ne copy and post any of them. I took a screenshot and spent some time extracting the US graph to post, but it was better to direct people to the whole thing than to copy the whole of the text and then each individual graph. It really is a very readable explanation.

I've had all the COVID and Flu vaccines offered to me. I had a minor reaction to the first COVID and absolutely no reaction to any other ones. I will be prepared to take what is offered.

Well, at least those of us who can take the vaccines are doing what we can to protect those who can't, and also those who won't, whether they like it or not.

I think we should be celebrating the success of mRNA vaccines or specifically the pioneering work of scientists who have been working on mRNA vaccine as a treatment for cancer for years and were able to adapt it so quickly and safely for fighting the covid pandemic.

If ongoing mRNA vaccine research and development does lead to a treatment for some cancers, will the refuseniks be so keen to deny it I wonder?

I have only had the first 2 jabs. Didn't see the point as people i knew with 3 jabs were still catching it and some quite badly. I had it last summer didn't feel ill at all. Just sore throat and temperature for 2 days.

Look who's here!!

I had it last summer didn't feel ill at all. Just sore throat and temperature for 2 days

And I don’t suppose your symptoms remained mild because you’d been vaccinated. 🙄

As somebody who worked in the field of immunology, I would prefer to have the jabs than not.

volver

Look who's here!!

Move over, and let me join you.

Elegran

volver

Look who's here!!

Move over, and let me join you.

Me too!

Loved it Volver.

I'm reluctant to have my fourth jab because of the ongoing side effect my daughter suffers from.
She now has a constant extremely bad headache where she has to take anti depressant tablets to control the pain.
One of my suggestions was perhaps try acupuncture but she'd need to come off them to do it and she can't because her NHS job is critical that she can concentrate.

I know each person is different, DH wants me to have it but ...