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Another perspective on estrangement

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ShropshireGal87 Wed 18-Dec-24 09:09:17

As we all know, there are many different scenarios that lead to estrangement in families and every one is unique. There are posts from estranged parents here about EAC who cut them off with little information or warning, parents who have been estranged over something seemingly trivial, and posts from EAC who have understandably decided to protect themselves and their families from future harm after years of abuse.

Sometimes EAC are described as having "thrown their parents away" or being cruel and disinterested. I am not doubting that is the case for some, and impossibly painful to cope with. I just wanted to give the perspective of a EAC who was very reluctant to estrange. For some EAC, they have tried to reach out to their parents numerous times, and would have loved for their parents to enter into a discussion about the situation so it could be resolved, only to be met with denial, refusal to listen, insults and complete lack of self reflection. For some EAC this can keep going round in circles for years because they really believe, or perhaps just hope, that something will shift one day and the situation can be resolved. They write letters, emails, have phone calls trying to explain the issue, only to be told at a later date that their parents have got no idea what the issue is.

They too see the adverts on TV of the perfect families at Christmas, or have an idea in their head about how things should be, and feel sad that they don't have that. But eventually, accept that the situation isn't healthy for anyone involved and it would be less toxic to cut ties and end the cycle.

I'm not quite sure what my message is. Perhaps just to remind everyone that every single situation is completely unique, and that an outsider can never fully understand the ins and outs. That EAC sometimes do give the reasons for estrangement and yet their parents claim not to know it, and some EPs do genuinely not know the reason, and that both of those situations are infuriating and heartbreaking. That some EAC may have been influenced by a third party, but also that some EPs do put the blame on a third party because it's easier than accepting dysfunction in their own family. But someone else having the opposite experience to yours does not invalidate your experience, and there is room for empathy for people on all sides.

I cannot understand the reasoning behind the "troll" posts but if they are intended to change people's ways of thinking, unfortunately they only serve to separate EAC from EPs who might otherwise benefit from hearing each others points if view.

Let's not make assumptions either way about people we know so little about.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 14:27:28

Doing away with the posters who use these threads to vent the anger and bitterness they have toward the parents they've estranged and the EP's on this forum, are the ones who should be done away with and thanks to GNHQ they have been Luminance.

Those are the ones making flamboyant sweeping generalisations because they have no interest in this, or any other thread on this forum being a supportive space for EP's or EAC.

The authenticity of the previously stated ideal that situations are treated individually is this space is evidenced on this and other threads on this forum in the posts that remain.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 14:46:42

I am not sure what relevance silly trolls or whatever you want to call them have to do with the comments that are still here? Is it that you are trying to get at the troll? It seems to me that is only one person and sweeping replies are not warranted no matter if who it is upsetting you. I can understand the pain of those targeted but it will not help to pass it on to more who are undeserving in your replies.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 14:55:33

I can only speak for myself of course but I'm not passing my pain or anything thing else onto anyone who is undeserving in my replies Luminance.

My annoyance and frustration when it's present is only ever directed to those who deserve it for the unpleasantness and disruption they bring to these threads.

I have no idea who or what you're referring too, who is this one person and what are the sweeping replies you're referring too?

MissAdventure Mon 23-Dec-24 14:55:49

If only the trolls understood that.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 14:58:57

Light cannot shine where darkness rules.

Bridie22 Mon 23-Dec-24 15:01:48

Light cannot shine were darkness rules...implies what Luminance, you are talking in riddles, im not understanding what you are referring too!

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 15:03:58

Luminance if you have something to say then why not just say it. If you cannot or will not substantiate your vague accusations then it's probably advisable not to make them.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 15:04:46

We can only hope that one day they will MissA.

Allsorts Mon 23-Dec-24 15:42:12

Sara, yes you're probably right about your mother, peoples recollections vary, so you are both better off.
Luminance, thank goodness you are on hand for your friends to offer advice that stopped estrangement and altered the course of their lives. A true friend.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 15:51:25

Rather obviously I feel, my reply was to the one above me. However I can see there is strong adversity to hearing different perspectives or indeed, examining whether replies are actually warranted towards anyone else so will not expect this to be addressed.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 16:01:28

So your post @ 14.58 was in response to MissA. If that's the case I agree with you Luminance that when it comes to the unpleasant now deleted posts that, Light cannot shine where darkness rules.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 16:09:45

Too late I feel. I was just trying to be helpful reading that people wanted this space to be supportive and helpful. I wanted to point out what I thought would be helpful in achieving that. Instead my every comment has been interrogated and I feel I have been told rather too many times what I am allowed to say or think at all. It's all too tiring for me. A difficult thing for someone not used to the site. I hope to find friendlier discussions here.

Bridie22 Mon 23-Dec-24 16:14:26

That's clearer now Luminance, as you amended which post you were referring to.

MissAdventure Mon 23-Dec-24 16:18:45

There's a thread here that has been running for years; sround nine, I think.
That seems to be supportive and helpful.

It difficult for people to have a succession of "new members" claiming to have been reading, but not posting, who's sole intent is to cause upset, based on their own issues, with their own parents.

DiamondLily Mon 23-Dec-24 16:50:05

I've lost the plot here. I thought we were talking about estrangement, in all its forms, and now there's apparently no light through the darkness. 🤷‍♀️

I didn't know we had to search for the lights. 🤷‍♀️

Mind you, I've only got one "ology" and that's O level biology...😳

And, now I'm sounding like Maureen Lipman in an old BT advert - shrieking about "ologies" lol 😄

Jeez. 🤷‍♀️

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 16:50:39

11 years MissA and if it wasn't both supportive and helpful it wouldn't have lasted so long.

Apart from the obvious ones Luminance we all want this forum to be supportive and helpful and I'm not aware of anyone telling you what you can say or think. What you regard as interrogation I see as you being asked for clarification which we're all asked for from time to time.

User138562 Mon 23-Dec-24 17:22:14

Luminance, you are fighting a losing battle.

Every point you make will be contradicted, I promise. Do like me and respond to the topic at hand, then literally ignore replies. I don't see what people say to me, and it keeps me from getting sucked into the drama.

The people who argue with you wherever you comment are never going to ever be receptive.

Unless of course you enjoy the back and forth. If that's the case, don't let me tell you what to do. That's just how I keep my own mental peace. I do wish people wouldn't argue with literally every point that doesn't suit their narrative, but I like to focus on what I can control.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 17:44:20

I loved that advert DL, always raised a tchsmile.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 18:01:15

I appreciate your intervention User138562, I was struggling rather a lot with it all.

Bridie22 Mon 23-Dec-24 18:17:21

User138526
That's quite striking comment " I like to focus on what I can control".!
I think that is one of my EAC s downfall and why we don't maybe agreed on things, they liked to be in control of everything, no give and take.

ShropshireGal87 Mon 23-Dec-24 18:26:09

I believe the idea of "focus on what you can control and not the things you can't" is more about putting your energy into things you can influence and resolve rather than using your energy to worry about things you have no control over. It's quite a commonly used mantra and I don't think it's about wanting to control over everything - just deciding the best use of your energy smile

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 18:31:31

I would rather hope people could control their own responses, is that not a sign of strength not to be frowned upon? Respond, don't react as that saying goes. I am grateful for the help.

Bridie22 Mon 23-Dec-24 18:37:57

I am responding to a comment and explaining that control had a part probably in my EAC estrangement., actually loss of control.

Luminance Mon 23-Dec-24 18:49:14

I believe ShropshireGal87 had the correct interpretation there. Nothing to do with anyone's own child I feel. Simply a better way of dealing with difficult people and situations I will take care to emulate in future.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Dec-24 19:47:02

You make a good point Bridie as the need for control often does have a part to play in estrangement from EP's and EAC.

Our ES told his father that the only reason that we, along with my brother provided the deposit for his first house, which we then agreed to transfer into another property by way of a deposit, was to control them (him and his wife). So we suggested that our investment be paid back, not immediately of course or all in one go, but of course it never has been.

So much for us wanting to have control.