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Estrangement

Support and friendship for those whose lives have been affected by estrangement.

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Smileless2012 Thu 26-Jun-25 10:42:51

So here we are again, another thread for friends we've already made and for those we are yet to meet.

The last few days have been difficult because for as long as some of us have been contributing to the support threads, offensive posts from these 'new' members still not only disrupt, but can hurt too.

'The truth shall set you free' popped into my head over the weekend because these 'new' members/trolls/previously banned posters are not being truthful to us here on this forum or possibly to themselves either.

In order for the truth to free us we have to be honest because honesty and truthfulness can liberate us from all kinds of emotional baggage like guilt and fear and also the impact of deception on our lives.

Guilt often prevents 'admitting' to estrangement in the first place and many live with the fear of permanent estrangement, that estrangement is inevitable or the fear of what a reconciliation my bring.

The impact that the deception from those who lie about us to others is sometimes unquantifiable as is the impact of lying to themselves.

What we share may not always be pretty, it may not always be easy to share or to read but it does help ourselves, one another and who knows how many who read but never post and that I believe is what really matters.

Bridie22 Thu 24-Jul-25 20:26:55

Gosh Smileless that was so quick, so sorry for your loss, take care 💐

Yoginimeisje Fri 25-Jul-25 09:26:24

Allsorts sorry to read about your family's quick deaths, terrible! xx

Smiles hope you are OK today xx

Madgran77 Fri 25-Jul-25 09:40:09

Smileless so sorry to hear that. You are right - it does remind us to make the most of who and what we have x

Babs03 Fri 25-Jul-25 10:00:21

I agree with all the above. Don’t put off till tomorrow what you really want to do right now, do it and enjoy every minute of it. If there is a loved one you have put off seeing go and see them now, and let them know how much you love them.
Sad to hear you lost loved ones so suddenly Allsorts, makes it so hard to come to terms with it but then I ask myself whether seeing a loved one suffering with a terminal illness for a long period of time is any better or far worse.
Never easy.
Take care all 🙏🏾❤️

Smileless2012 Fri 25-Jul-25 10:12:41

Morning everyone and many thanks for your kind and supportive messages.

We are so thankful that he didn't have to suffer for a long period and my cousin, who was with him at the end said it was very peaceful. His daughters who'd been with him all night had left for just 10 minutes but maybe that's what he needed to let go.

The speed with which we can lose loved ones is frightening isn't it Allsorts. They had great plans to buy a motor home and travel abroad; so very sad sad.

stillawipp Fri 25-Jul-25 11:31:22

That’s very sad Smileless, I’m so sorry. We lost a friend in his 50s to pancreatic cancer a few years ago - he survived 18 months after diagnosis & it was such a very long, drawn-out & torturous time for him & his family….i’m not sure which is worse 😔.

Allsorts Fri 25-Jul-25 13:06:43

If I had a choice in how I would die, I would choose quickly every time. Mine, even my estranged d, know I love them and although far from perfect did my best at the time. I had to be the breadwinner so they didn't have what others did, i didn't have the time either. They had a strong work ethic and I was envious of friends who went on fun girly breaks with their daughter and son did dad things. One is grateful the other not so. Both excellent in their careers and happily married. I have come to terms with my faults but it helps they are both able to enjoy what we couldn't. Be a good friend so when we do lose them or they us there's good memories and no regrets. Smileless your cousin had their perfect partner and happiness and the anticipation of dreams to fulfil. Not everyone gets that.

Whiff Sat 26-Jul-25 06:40:03

Smiles so sorry about your cousins . That's the problem with pancreatic cancer it hits and kills quicky . You will help the family cope with their grieve .

Sorry only just read . Not very well at the moment. But I will be back to my usual self soon.

Hi to everyone else

Allsorts Sat 26-Jul-25 07:19:52

Sorry you are not too good at the moment Whiff. 🤞 you are soon your old self.

Bridie22 Sat 26-Jul-25 07:22:54

Hope you feel better soon Whiff, take good care of yourself 💐

Smileless2012 Sat 26-Jul-25 08:28:57

Sorry you're not very well Whiff; take care flowers.

Yoginimeisje Sat 26-Jul-25 09:51:18

Wish you better Whiff flowers

Off to Lakeside to meet my sister for lunch, hope the roads are OK. Was going to a 'summer dance party' yesterday, but was told Wednesday they were over subscribed and asked for my bank details to refund my £25 ticket money. I did book quite late and as I'm a guest not a member; suppose it was last in first out. I was looking forward to it but just thought 'oh, well'. Then got a call at 5.30pm yesterday to say they had a spare slot afterall. I was in the middle of hoovering and cleaning and had told my son I would cook dinner as soon as I'd finished, so said a polite 'no' to the offer as wasn't ready. Then I was annoyed as I'd put it out of my mind, to now think I'd missed a good night out angry.

Allsorts Sat 26-Jul-25 14:38:33

You're very brave going to a summer dance alone Yoga in the first place. Hope you enjoy Lakeside. I am going to start going to concerts on my own, I know no one who wants to go so feel I am missing out.

Yoginimeisje Sun 27-Jul-25 08:05:37

Morning all

I was going with a friend who is a member of the club Allsorts, I wouldn't go anywhere on my own, rather stay home than do that. Had a nice lunch with my sister at Lakeside.

Nice Sunday everyone.

Allsorts Mon 28-Jul-25 06:27:58

Morning everyone. Thought you were being extra brave Yogin. I do go for some things in my own now, stop for a break if out shopping or joining a group everyone, people welcoming so soon got speaking to people.. Looking for something new September. I think for a lot of people estranged it leaves a big void and you need to get out.
Whiff, hope you are feeling loads better.
Smileless, difficult time for you, thinking of you.
Babs, hope your husband is doing well after latest scare. Glad temperature cooled a little, it's do uncomfortable in that heat when bed bound.

Babs03 Mon 28-Jul-25 07:16:40

Sorry to hear you are not well Whiff, sending plenty of heartfelt get well wishes your way.
Yogi you’ll enjoy your dance another time am sure. Haven’t been to a dance since I was a youngster, sounds like fun ✅xxx

Bridie22 Tue 29-Jul-25 07:24:09

Missing your rambles Whiff, I hope you are on the mend ?
Take care 💐

SparklyGrandma Thu 31-Jul-25 14:03:00

Afternoon fellow Estrangees,

How are you all? Sorry to hear Babs about the relationship with your daughter and her house. Awful.

Sorry to hear about quick passing of relatives Smileless.
The hot weather has been hard to deal with but a good point is I had and am having a juicy blueberry season. Only one of my three bushes is bearing.

Been recovering from a bit of illness and hospital visit. My legs and ankles don’t give a patella reflex. They’ve been feeling a bit numb but have been referred. My herniated disc is probably causing this problem in the legs.

But I remain cheerful and send you all friend wishes.

Sparkly xx

Babs03 Thu 31-Jul-25 15:29:29

Thanks Sparkly but I think the person having trouble with her daughter and house is Babylon. Can understand the confusion though, at first I thought was a troll using a name similar to mine. But don’t think it is.
Hope you feel better soon, and let’s hope your referral comes through soon.
Take care 🙏🏾❤️

Smileless2012 Thu 31-Jul-25 15:42:00

Afternoon everyone.

Sorry you've been unwell Sparkly flowers of course these aren't as lovely as the ones in your photo, but it's the thought
that counts grin.

Hope you're all doing OK and that you're feeling better Whiff. Popped some clothes into a charity shop today and thought I'd spend a few minutes looking through the DVD's and found the original 'A Star is Born'.

Absolutely thrilled (Mr. S. not so much) as I love it and have the album on vinyl but will have to wait until Mr. S. is out before watching.

Whiff Fri 01-Aug-25 07:19:36

Well spent the last 2 hours writing a ramble but deleted it as you have all got enough on your plates without what's happened to me so will write a different one after breakfast. Picture is my latest aid got this week from Amazon. Because my suite is 35 years old little clearance under it. The one the occupational therapist brought was tubular and wouldn't fit . But this one the base plate is flat. And easy for me to put together with an allan key even with my weaken arms . Goes a lot higher and came with cup holder which I didn't need. Made life easier.

Any way with write a better ramble later.

Babs03 Fri 01-Aug-25 07:33:42

Great to hear from you Whiff and good Lord above you have been putting stuff together with an Allan key!!
Hope you have at some point managed to rest up and recover.
Take care friend 🙏🏾❤️

Whiff Fri 01-Aug-25 11:00:34

Well can't remember what I have told you about my health. So will get that out of the way. As I already said spent a week in hospital 6th January. Turned out it wasn't a heart attack even though the cardiac enzyme test showed T level of 170. CT scan didn't show TIA. On A&E trolley ward we couldn't have been better looked after if we had been on a normal ward buzzers by every trolley. So all this about being in trolleys which I have been on before in main A&E and bad treatment as far as I am concerned doesn't apply to the hospitals up here. But I did collapse apparently I was fighting with my daughter and nurse trying to sit me down when I wanted to lie down. No idea who put me on the trolley only thing I remember is the cardiologist shouting at me to open my eyes which I did a crack. My daughter said they them ran to the acute cardiac ward. Only really remember being undressed and electrodes attached to me . My speech came back later on. Was in Afib until the Thursday. Then transfer to heart and lung hospital on the Friday. Saturday had angiography. Found out local anaesthetic and sedation doesn't work on me but didn't tell them . I am used to constant pain so decided it was quicker to put up with it than stop and start again. Luckily no heart muscle damage slight furring in right artery didn't need a stent and the hole in the side of my heart was the same size and shape it was in 2021.
Because I had to have Heparin injections while at the first hospital. Something went wrong with one as my tummy hurts everytime I moved. Day of discharge had ultrasound the needle caused inflammation in my subterranean fat layer and would take time to heal. Me being me though of journey to the centre of the earth by Jules Verne. 😁.

Once home noticed differences in me things that my body didn't do before was happening now.
Over months increase in things different including my eye sight .

Saw Cardiologist who put me on low dose statin to prevent further furring . And found out when I thought I keep falling asleep was me passing out due to my blood pressure dropping it was all recorded on the machine plus the Afib for 4 days .

He sent referral to stroke neurologist and gave me a CT spray for my breathlessness but only use it if I can't control my breathing myself.

Stroke neurologist said it was migraine. But I know it wasn't. But my HPX confuses things.

Ask my neurologist if I could increase my Clonazepam to 3 a day which he approved.
All my new symptoms started before I took the statin and extra Clonazepam so I know it's nothing to do with them.
GP put my on extra BP tablet gave me a kidney infection. Had cellulitis in my toe has antibiotics but couldn't take them with my statin . Was on them 5 days . Had to call 111 BP very low heart beat 108. Speech effected. Nurse sent for ambulance while talking to me . Arrived within 30 mins . I had unlocked the door and packed a bag incase. Good job they had extra wires for ECG as I needed then to get a reading. Paramedics here 2 hours. This was on my daughter's birthday end of June . But I didn't tell her until day after.
After talking to the doctor who had to read all my notes poor man they are like a novel . Decided provided I was safe here and promised to call if I felt ill then I could stay here . As I am a complex case. My daughter said yes mom you are a case. 😂

My eyesight was worse after coming out of hospital but wasn't due for eye test until November. But couldn't wait . So had them tested Tuesday and need stronger lens for both types of glasses.
Seeing my neurologist on 8th.
Anyway that's what's been happening since January.

But while I can't do something's now and my walking ,balance is worse and my limbs stiffen without being startled now ,can lose my speech for no reason. I kept plodding on .

Saying all that went to Llandudno in May. Go to sit fit and move it or lose it classes . Exercise at home do 500 rotations on my static pedals. Last month went to see my brother and sister in law,my adopted dad her dad and Aggie of course who didn't wee on my hand this time but still weed. Had a wonderful time. Journey there had problems which set my HPX into overdrive but the trans pennies railway where fair and got me to Lincoln via taxi. Journey took hour but my brother was waiting and had fabulous time with them . Been going to monthly craft group and chat and cuppa group. Been to my first classical concert at the Phil it was brilliant. My hi fidelity ear plugs with highest setting work. Booked to go see Sir Stephen Hough and orchestra playing Rachmaninov in November. Off to Harrogate next month. Will post this and read what I have missed .

Whiff Fri 01-Aug-25 11:21:16

Bugger lost my post . Will be back 🤦🤦🤦🤦

Babs03 Fri 01-Aug-25 12:25:47

Oh Whiff am so sorry you have been in the wars. Would push for an MRI on your head, is more detail, I think it sounds like a TIA rather than migraine. You have noticed differences that are not down to your HPX, my guess is that it is down to a small stroke, but of course am no expert, am hoping that those who are can help you on the 8th.
The worst thing is the unknown, and I just wish more medical experts realised that the sleepless nights and worry caused by not knowing what is going on are counter productive to a persons health.
Much love ❤️