Nonnie
"I have never suggested any adult had rights, please read what I actually said before you rant about what I didn't say."
You're actually did suggest/insinuate exactly that when you mentioned, and I quote (again) - "Can you imagine the situation of a white Christian woman denying her DH's Asian Muslim family a RIGHT to their GC? " - so if you did'nt suggest that whose denied rights are we imagining? GC or adults?
FACT remains that Parents are the FIRST to have the power/right to act on behalf of their children and ensure that their childrens rights are protected and respected. As such parents use their legally granted rights (not responsibilities but RIGHTS) to carry out their RESPONSIBILITIES by making decisions in place of their children.
Stop trying to make it look like you've been misunderstood. No - I clearly understood your flawed facts very loud and clear. So when you say: "My point (which some seem unable to grasp) is that children have a legal right to family life." - how exactly does this coverup "point," factor into the fact that you'd previously said:
1). Parents have no rights they have responsibilities, there is a difference and I have checked it out." - There's no Government web page that backs up your claim for its NOT true. Again, can you reference the direct link you're reading this from?
2). "but the law is that the children have rights not the parents." Again which law? And where is it?
How do any of those two statements make any sense or even relate to your supposed point above? Which according to you, some seem unable to grasp? Trying to make it seem that you've been misunderstood you're clearly deflecting and running around in circles.
3). "children have a legal right to family life." - Ok! We KNOW that, and this wasn't a point that was up for dispute either. But the legal use of the term "family life," only includes the parents and their children. So once again what's your point exactly? AND when you said, "Can you imagine the situation of a white Christian woman denying her DH's Asian Muslim family a RIGHT to their GC?" Yes I can totally imagine that happening - but what I simply can't imagine is what "rights," the DH's Asian Muslim family would have over the said GC? - especially with you arguing vehemently that parents have no rights? If parents have no rights why would you ask us to possibly imagine a situation where extended family were denied a "right," to their GC. What right Nonnie? Kindly elaborate (without deflection) these imaginary rights that grandparents would have to their GC but that parents done have over their own children?
4). "Perhaps you have checked on the law and realise that what I say is correct."- No you're wrong. But if you want to believe that you're right that's fine too. Your entitled to believe in anything that you want. That doesn't make your personal beliefs/misinterpretation of the law an arguable fact.
5). "I don't know why you don't understand that parents have no rights, in law they have responsibilities. It is children who, in law, have a right to family life." - A right to family life that's provided by the parents whom like I said have the FIRST LEGALLY PROTECTED RIGHT to act on behalf of their children and to ensure that their childrens rights are respected - Not sure why/how you can't seem to understand this.
Parents don't have rights! The most ridiculous statement I've heard so far this a 2019, more especially for you're arguing, you're arguing, deflecting and calling posters who are trying to correct you as "ranters."
Parents have rights period!