Trans Nurses

We made really critical mistakes very early on, we should never have pretended in order to be kind.

Chewbacca

I completely agree with you Beverley, it's like we sleep walked into this debacle, believing that everyone would be respected, treated fairly and with dignity. That was our mistake. With the aid of trans activists and their "allies", women have been well and truly screwed over. We now have nowhere that we're safe, not even a hospital bed, prison or refuge. We're not to ask for intimate examinations to be conducted by a female and if we're raped or assaulted by them, we mustn't insult them by referring to them as a male. It's a stacked deck against natal women. And alarmingly, is supported by some enablers.

Thanks Chewbacca, spot on

We did. The cries of "But they're just like any other woman! Why are you so worried about it?" I really can't decide if those assurances were deliberately deceitful and made by enablers with their own agenda or whether they were just as duped as the rest of us but too ashamed to admit it.

Galaxy

We made really critical mistakes very early on, we should never have pretended in order to be kind.

Indeed!

Lady Nicholson makes the point;

"I think it is completely wrong that the National Health Service should be instructing or allowing staff to mislead patients - to tell a straightforward lie," she said. 'It is not acceptable."

It is not only wrong, but I think it may actually be illegal. Following various NHS scandals the government introduced a law named the ‘False or Misleading Information Offence’ that addresses the misuse or falsifying of data within the NHS. Published in 2015 it assumes further widening the scope of the offence in the future and it could be argued that this case meets the criteria for the offence.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/403084/FOMI_Guidance.pdf

Like so many other issues in the past, I suspect that someone (probably a natal woman) will have to lose their life before anyone, in the NHS or the government actually does something about the car crash of mishandling that is "trans rights and its affect on women in vulnerable situations". But probably not even then because there'll be an apologist, or enabler, to protest that it's all natal women's fault.

Galaxy

You are probably right madgran. I am just tired of having to agree with pretence, as a general rule women are not as physically strong as women, this makes them vulnerable to male strwngth. This is not a flaw or a character defect, its just reality.

Yes! And I had to smile at the Freudian slip ?

Why is this thread called “trans nurses” when the issue is about sexual assault?

AmberSpyglass

Why is this thread called “trans nurses” when the issue is about sexual assault?

I’ve be wondering why too

May I just say I was quoting another poster who said it was a unique situation as a women may become pregnant. I was saying rape is rape regardless if it is with a penis or not.

Of course that poor woman was raped and to deny it was anything is plain wrong.

MawtheMerrier

AmberSpyglass

Why is this thread called “trans nurses” when the issue is about sexual assault?

I’ve be wondering why too

I think the OP thought the rape was performed by a transgender nurse, but it's not clear and I understand it was a patient who self ID'd as a woman and was on the female ward. Everyone lied after the rape allegation by saying there was no male on the ward. Rape can only be performed by a male using a penis. The victim suffered being disbelieved and called a liar for a year until CTV and nurses confirmed there was a trans identified intact male on the ward.

Hence it was rape. Not sexual assault. By a person with a penis.

Thanks Doodledog
Any discussion that includes the words 'women, regardless of their genitalia' has entered the realm of the surreal.
Unbelievable!.
Also, calling assault by women 'rape' would be yet another way to manipulate statistics to mask ways in which women's lives are made worse by a patriarchal society.

As has been made quite obvious on some threads, This would clearly suit the agenda of some, but anyone who has women's (AHF for those who don’t understand) interests at heart would countenance such a travesty.

Unfortunately, some people are so keen to be seen as ‘woke’ or ‘inclusive’ they don’t think beyond the impact their words will have.
GJ says
But society can't force every trans person to bear the brunt of one person who used the cover of women's clothes, in order to commit a rape, to label all trans people or prevent their integration into a civilized society.
GJ, you talk as if no one has ever said it’s only the ill-intentioned transpeople who are responsible or perhaps you choose not to hear that.
This would clearly suit the agenda of some who still believe in and support the omnipotence of the patriarchy.
The lack of support for females by some women is unbelievable. The number of makes who are as horrified by (in particular) the cheating by males competing in female races because it affects their daughters, their friends and their colleagues and they feel it reflects on them. Likewise their horror about males accessing women’s (AHF) spaces to cause them harm, is probably increasing at the same rate as the women who are saying there’s nothing wrong with males cheating in competition or accessing women’s spaces though I’d find it hard to believe that even those women would condone the harm done by ill-intentioned males, whether trans or not.