Trans Nurses

GrannyGravy13

I am fed up to the back teeth of having transphobia thrown in women’s faces whenever they ask for women only places for their safety

It is normally a sign of no valid points to be made

That is your opinion and you of course have a right to express it.

I see it conversely. In order to protect women, we need to expand our current understanding and laws, in order to take into account a changing society. This is, after all, how societies progress.

Just repeating the same old same old doesn't work and neither do thinly veiled insults.

I think the Google definition of rape makes more sense BlueBelle. Thank you for posting it.

I agree GG13, the accusations of transphobia are tiresome, as are the arguments about what constitutes rape.

Women only safe spaces are a necessity. Trans women are not and never can be women. They are trans women, which is different.

maddyone

Women only safe spaces are a necessity. Trans women are not and never can be women. They are trans women, which is different.

Totally agree, but by stating that a trans woman cannot ever be a woman we are immediately called out as being transphobic when all we are doing is stating a biological physiological fact.

Incidentally it isn’t an opinion that trans women are not women, it’s a fact. I don’t have a problem with trans women unless they’re in women’s safe spaces without normal women being asked for permission, but let’s not pretend that trans women are actually women, they’re not! They cannot change their chromosomes whatever else they do.

In order to protect women, we need to expand our current understanding and laws, in order to take into account a changing society. This is, after all, how societies progress

So, how do you think it went for the rape victim, the understanding was extended to her rapist, the laws were extended to her rapist, but neither understanding or laws were extended to her.

GagaJo how exactly will widening the definition of rape, a unique crime, increase the prosecution rate? Sexual assault occasioned by object is a different, equally horrendous crime. It doesn't need to be put in the rape category. Let's keep that as a strictly male crime, since it will always be committed by someone with a penis.

Yes I agree and understand that GG and it is something of a problem isn’t it? Because this is where it leads to, normal women being attacked. I accept that the vast majority of trans women don’t attack anyone, but that’s not the point really.

GillT57

^In order to protect women, we need to expand our current understanding and laws, in order to take into account a changing society. This is, after all, how societies progress^

So, how do you think it went for the rape victim, the understanding was extended to her rapist, the laws were extended to her rapist, but neither understanding or laws were extended to her.

Yes Gill this is the problem isn’t it!

Unfortunately GillT57 your last paragraph sums up this sorry situation very succinctly.

It seems strange to me. We’re all totally into and supportive of women’s rights until
it comes to trans rights. They appear to trump the rights of normal women for some reason.

GagaJo

MissAdventure

It doesn't need to be widened.
It needs to be adhered to, as almost everyone seems to know exactly what rape is.

And yet almost no rapes result in charges or convictions.

Hmmmm

Why is that do you think?

It’s not because the law needs changing. It’s because the men who rape women are being protected by those in Authority, who are mainly men.

The Hospital management should have been protecting the vulnerable women on the wards, but instead were more interested in pretending that a man dressed as a woman can’t possibly be a dangerous sex pest and then when the woman complained, instead of apologising and trying to put things right, they lied and lied and lied again.

I hope the staff involved are sacked, but that’s never going to happen, especially when so many women seem to be defending their actions. It’s bloody shameful!

Katie59

I’m wondering wether the hospital or the staff on the ward actually knew that the nurse was “trans”.
On any ward there is often only one qualified nurse on duty helped by a number of Clinical Support staff sometimes with only limited training. It would be easy for a creep to present as a woman, but trans rights obviously comes before patients rights.

It wasn’t a nurse, it was a male patient that carried out the rape.

If it was a male patient it makes it worse. We all know that there are both male and female nurses and midwives, but to have a male patient on a female ward or bay takes the biscuit in my opinion.

I hate the word "vulnerable", as if it is women are weaker, prey to all dangers in the world

It is not true, at all

GillT57

Stop the world, I want to get off.

I can't believe the apologists on here, hair splitting about whether the woman was raped or not, whether the perpetrator was a woman, or not. The facts are; a woman, in what should have been a place of safety was raped. By an intact male. Said woman was then told this could not be so as technically there were no men on the ward. There was, however, a penis on the ward, and it was used to rape a woman. If anyone, trans or intact or whatever raped my DD while she slept in her hospital bed they wouldn't need to have gender re-assignment surgery because I would rip it off them. Tin hat on, awaiting accusations of transphobia.

Yes. I have seven little granddaughters and I would do just the same.

The political party that prevents this happening in a hospital FFS and staff covering it up will get my vote.

Hithere

I hate the word "vulnerable", as if it is women are weaker, prey to all dangers in the world

It is not true, at all

Actually, if you are ill enough to be in hospital, you are pretty vulnerable, even if you are usually not.

Perhaps hithere thinks she should have fought harder.

Galaxy

Please tell me where I said that.

Nothing further from the truth

So she was vulnerable to the steength of a male then.

Strength sorry.

Not biting

Have a nice weekend!

?Tom Swarbrick will be discussing this on LBC after 3

Hithere

Galaxy

Please tell me where I said that.

Nothing further from the truth

I was very shocked to see that awful thought assigned to you and wanted you to know that was seen and it's not OK.

Males as a general rule are stronger than women, not always but mostly, its partly why we need spaces that are single sex when we are vulnerable. So when we are naked, or ill or whatever.