Trans Nurses

I was attacked by a male patient in a mixed ward.
This madman held a knife to my throat, it was terrifying, I suffered PTSD as a result of the incident.
I was vulnerable as I was seriously I’ll and recovering from unpleasant surgery.
I wouldn’t want anyone to go through that.
My heart goes out to the poor woman who was raped.

I am so sorry Sago.

VioletSky

Hithere

Galaxy

Please tell me where I said that.

Nothing further from the truth

I was very shocked to see that awful thought assigned to you and wanted you to know that was seen and it's not OK.

Yup. Here too.

The problem with the vanishingly low prosecution/conviction of rape is nothing to do with trans . I see no reason to change the legal definition of rape with a penis, sexual assault with an implement. The idea that a rape victim should address the rapist with a penis as her is beyond offensive.

There’s a problem with the way women are viewed in society. The focus is on the need for supporting evidence. If it’s the word of the victim, usually a woman, against the denial of the perpetrator that’s a hurdle. If the perpetrator accepts intercourse happened, but insists it was consensual that’s another hurdle. Even if the woman has bruises on her neck, arms,legs and is badly bruised or ripped internally, the defence will be that she consented because she likes it rough.

I’m not clear on the current approach but in the recent past, the CPS wanted 80-85% chance of conviction before they’d agree to court.

Sago, I’m sorry, I cross posted with you otherwise I would have acknowledged your post. It sounds terrifying, no wonder ptsd followed.

Sago so sad to learn or your awful experience

Sago I'm so sorry to hear what you went through.

Sago that must have been terrifying for you. I don’t believe there should ever be mixed wards in hospitals.

Sago how truly dreadful, I hope you had help to deal with this terrifying incident.

There’s a problem with the way women are viewed in society. The focus is on the need for supporting evidence. If it’s the word of the victim, usually a woman, against the denial of the perpetrator that’s a hurdle. If the perpetrator accepts intercourse happened, but insists it was consensual that’s another hurdle. Even if the woman has bruises on her neck, arms,legs and is badly bruised or ripped internally, the defence will be that she consented because she likes it rough

Then after all that, the person facing you in court is wearing a frock and lipstick and self identifies as a woman, and you are told therefore that you haven't been raped. What an insult to the victim and to common sense.

Galaxy

Perhaps hithere thinks she should have fought harder.

Hither didn't say that or anything close to it.

SagoI am very sorry that you went through that awful experience. I hope that you have been able to move forward positively with your life despite that happening to you.

Madgran the I hate women being called vulnerable is used a lot in this debate. Similar in many ways to the they just need to run faster when men are competing in womens sports. The woman in the hospital was vulnerable if we pretend she wasnt then what are we saying. What could she have done to stop a man overpowering her, how could she not have been vulnerable.

Men are physically stronger and faster than women. That’s not complicated. I see Lia Thomas won another prestigious swimming award. S/he beat the 2nd place swimmer , a female, by about a minute.
This is ridiculous and indefensible. The other competitors dislike Lia sharing their changing room. S/he strips off, as they do. S/he has a male body and the women feel uncomfortable.

Before I’m accused of bringing ‘extreme or on the edges’ points into this discussion. This is factual and I don’t believe s/he would be able to compete against women.

The winner in my opinion is standing in the 2nd place position

Exactly so GrannyG. Look at the size and obvious strength difference.

Emma Wyant is the woman in 'second' place. The actual winner.

And still apparently male bodied. In other words she is a man! Woman don’t have penises. It is absolutely bonkers for complete men to be allowed to compete in women’s events.

It is maddyone.

This is why Lia is ID’ing as a woman, s/he couldn’t make it as a male

Rape with a penis is a specific crime. It is used as a weapon of war against women on the opposing side because it can cause pregnancy. No other crime can cause pregnancy, no other crime is the same as rape.
I am not saying one is not as bad as the other, but rape is different.

Is it rape when a man is well raped or an older women beyond child bearing age?

The metropolitan police seem to think so.

The legal definition of rape is when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent

Keeper1

Rape with a penis is a specific crime. It is used as a weapon of war against women on the opposing side because it can cause pregnancy. No other crime can cause pregnancy, no other crime is the same as rape.
I am not saying one is not as bad as the other, but rape is different.

Is it rape when a man is well raped or an older women beyond child bearing age?

Why wouldn't it be? Do you disagree then?

Thank you for your kind words.

Sadly the NHS trust were negligent and not interested in listening to my husband, he took the case on, we were not suing but trying to get better security in hospitals.

The head of the trust committed suicide as the case was ongoing, managers had not done their jobs properly and nursing staff were generally indolent.
It was a s***t show.

A nurse who cared for me recognised me some weeks later in a restaurant and blew the whistle, it helped my case and resulted in the hospital having a 24/7 manned Police desk in the building.

Hospitals are not safe for patients or staff, I would not sleep in a hospital without a rape alarm.
The buzzers by the beds are rarely answered quickly.

From The Telegraph:

Lady Nicholson said that the policy undermines the provision of single-sex wards which were voted on by Parliament and “undermines" protections for women that "took at least 50 years to come through”.

The former MP said that by adding the self-identification clause in the policy on eliminating mixed-sex accommodation: “Parliament has been ignored and bypassed and surreptitiously something far-reaching has been brought in that affects all families, all faiths, all identities and all levels of society. In place of sex-based rights, we are giving priority rights to one special section of society.”

The policy is being reviewed by the NHS but as this newspaper revealed, one of those carrying out that review is a “trans advocate".

Before the consultation on the issue closed, Dr Michael Brady promised campaigners that the “commitment from the team leading on the review is supporting the maintenance/strengthening of trans rights in the update”.

A coalition of women’s rights groups including doctors and nurses have written to the Health Secretary complaining that they were not consulted. Baroness Fox of Buckley said that the review is “not satisfactory” as it has “no public terms of reference” and is being “carried out in secret”.

She said that the fact that Dr Brady is the NHS “LGBT adviser might make him rather the opposite of impartial”.

Referring to The Telegraph article, she added: “I want the Government to take this seriously and recognise that when somebody says that there are no plans to reduce the existing rights of transgender people, what women hear - if I can translate it - is that women-only wards are not guaranteed at all.

Nope. Nothing underhand, nothing being done behind women's backs or in secret here. We women will just accept we've lost nothing, move over, adjust and most of all...... be kind.

Keeper1

Rape with a penis is a specific crime. It is used as a weapon of war against women on the opposing side because it can cause pregnancy. No other crime can cause pregnancy, no other crime is the same as rape.
I am not saying one is not as bad as the other, but rape is different.

Is it rape when a man is well raped or an older women beyond child bearing age?

er.. yes, or do you want to tell older women or men who have been raped that they have not been raped at all? Like the woman in the hospital was told?