Trans Nurses

Excellent post Chewbacca.

GagaJo

OR we could support a change in terminology. Anyone is capable of rape. Then anyone can be considered a threat, regardless of genitalia or the clothes they're wearing.

Would have stopped the shocking response of the hospital in its tracks and everyone on duty on that day could have been questioned by the police.

Completely agree

Or, seeing as it was rape, they could have questioned all the men.

No complete waste of time to question the women. She was raped by a man.

Sorry I have just seen I am repeating your point Missadventure.

It's like some elaborate game of let's pretend.
A woman has been raped - "I know, just so we don't upset any men, let's question the women"

No complete waste of time to question the women. She was raped by a man

Except this man was dressed, presented and was accepted as a "woman". Simply because he said he was. And that's all it takes for a sexually predatory man to do. And if we protest, ask questions or show alarm.... we're transphobic, unwilling to accept change and are general all round mean girls and we should BE KIND.

Well said Chewbacca andMiss Adventure
Talk about believing impossible things before breakfast

Well some on here are happy that rape is recorded as a female crime if the rapist decides their penis is the lady variety. Who knows, give it long enough and we'll discover that actually rape by females far outweighs the number of rapes by men.

Will this woman's rape be the last?

Sex offenders who were born male but identify as female can be placed on women-only NHS wards, according to guidance issued by hospital trusts.

Hospitals in Devon, Oxford and Nottinghamshire tell their staff that a criminal history should be part of a risk assessment when placing a person who was born male on a female-only ward.
But they do not say it prevents the patients from being admitted.

Some trusts have called opponents of the policies transphobic, likened them to racists in official guidelines and asked staff to report the ‘hate crimes’ to police, the Daily Telegraph reported.
A Department of Health order says hospitals must provide single-sex wards and medics have warned that the guidance could breach their code of conduct by leaving the most vulnerable at risk.

Dr Jane Hamlin, president of the Beaumont Society, a trans support group, said: ‘If anyone starts off with an assumption that a trans person is a sex offender – or even a potential sex offender – that is discrimination and transphobia.’

Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust said the ‘risk of sexual offending in a trans context is very rare’ and that if there is ‘significant risk’ staff would ‘apply the same robust mitigation that we would to a non-trans patient to ensure a safe therapeutic environment’.

The policies have been put in place even though a Department of Health order says hospitals have to provide single-sex wards.
And medical staff have warned that the guidance could be a breach of their code of conduct and leave the most vulnerable at risk.

Yeah..... it'll never happen. Worrying over nothing.....

well the implications of all this new ideology are far reaching.
have just looked up sisterstay, from another thread.
interesting idea. women over age 50, stay in each other's houses for £36 a night, to have a friendly face and local knowledge when travelling alone.
there is ID verification. but no definition of what exactly a woman is. so an elderly woman, living alone, in a remote pretty location, offers a room, and may find an unusual-bodied female sharing her home. i wouldn't like it.
maybe that's why they ask for photos and chat first.
although i think it's to match interests.
www.sisterstay.com/infos/about

A penis is a living thing. Unlike inanimate objects, it can ejaculate, it can carry disease, it can change state to be soft or hard, it is the physical manifestation of intent of the body it's joined to and, stating the bleedin' obvious here, it is a totally unique object of pentration. It is a foul thing to physically have that living organ with it's stink and flesh shoved inside you against your will. It's a unique assault weapon which commits a unique crime.

Galaxy

Madgran the I hate women being called vulnerable is used a lot in this debate. Similar in many ways to the they just need to run faster when men are competing in womens sports. The woman in the hospital was vulnerable if we pretend she wasnt then what are we saying. What could she have done to stop a man overpowering her, how could she not have been vulnerable.

Galaxy I agree!

I just don't think that Hithere said or gave the impression that she thinks the poor woman concerned" should have fought harder.

Hithere made a comment about women not being vulnerable. I understand the point she was making but in this context I don't agree with her!

You are probably right madgran. I am just tired of having to agree with pretence, as a general rule women are not as physically strong as women, this makes them vulnerable to male strwngth. This is not a flaw or a character defect, its just reality.

Women are not as strong as men that should say. Crikey thats probably a freudian slip.

An NHS Mental Health Specialist has deleted her Twitter account after claiming a female patient, who had been raped in a single-sex ward by a trans-identified male last year, was raped by a "woman."
Eleanor Melvin, whose LinkedIn describes her as a Mental Health Specialist Practitioner with the Coventry and Werwickshire Partnership NHS Trust, deleted her Twitter after sparking massive outrage with her comment.

Replying to Twitter user Ermine Amies and Baroness Nicholson, Melvin wrote: "It's horrendous that she was raped. Though, your transphobic views are wrong. The NHS were not lying, there was no male on the ward. She was raped by a woman."

Here's the link:

www.reduxx.org/post/nhs-mental-health-specialist-deletes-twitter-account-after-gaslighting-rape-victim

Thanks for the link Chewbacca. It’s difficult to find the words to condemn the tweet. This individual is a mental health specialist practitioner so in an influential position, with face to face involvement with patients. In a similar role, we were expected to dress in a way that would be acceptable to our diverse client group and avoid making controversial statements

The point being simple, our politics and presentation being neutral would be to the benefit of service users. That’s the job, this person should resign and join an activist group where her views will be welcome

This is an interesting need. It is about social care though but raises some really interesting legal points

legalfeminist.org.uk/2020/07/25/my-body-my-choice-privacy-and-consent-in-personal-care/

Interesting read!

It's the lying that angers me Iam64. They lied that the rape ever took place. They lied that a male was on the ward. They accused the victim of being a liar. They continued to lie for over a year and they're STILL lying now that a woman can rape another woman - not sexually assault her - rape her.

There seems to be an awful lot of trans people in the uk, we don’t hear much about them here, they seem to just fit in to everyday life. No one notices much, just acceptance. As for the rape well, clearly it was a male who did that, not a female unless they are using an extremely broad definition , perhaps digital ?

It is an interesting read JaneJudge; so who's needs are paramount in those circumstances? The vulnerable woman who's unable to attend to her own intimate care? Or the trans person?

Sago…..?
What an awful experience, completely of the scale I am so sorry for you. I hope time heals and eases that terrifying memory. I’ve spent most of my working life in hospitals and agree buzzers are not answered very quickly but they shouldn’t be routinely for dire emergency but notification that a patient needs something. There is a different sound for the former.
I’ve also had my turn as a patient and it’s a horrible feeling being stuck in that bed so vulnerable I’d not wish it on any single person.

Chewbacca

It's the lying that angers me Iam64. They lied that the rape ever took place. They lied that a male was on the ward. They accused the victim of being a liar. They continued to lie for over a year and they're STILL lying now that a woman can rape another woman - not sexually assault her - rape her.

This is exactly the point Chewbacca. I read that it is hospital policy not only to allow males onto female only wards just because they «feel» like a woman, but that if anyone on the ward objects, the staff are instructed to deny that there person is male - officially mandated gaslighting of women!

The poor victim in this case was put through immense distress for a year after the event because the police - believing the lies of the ward staff that there was no male on the ward - considered that a rape could not have taken place. Fortunately there was CCTV that proved what the victim said. I refer to rape as per s.1 of www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape

Baroness Nicholson has also stated that she knows of at least 5 other cases. We will, of course, never know about the cases where the victims are simply incapable of speaking up for themselves.

I genuinely fear for my safety if I had to go into hospital. The dignity of safety and women is really not a priority in the NHS. And yes, it's partly at least as a result of trans activism that insists that trans identified males should be treated as if they were women, simply because that's how they feel. That's not transphobic, it’s a fact. I know of trans identified males who would never use a women's toilet or changing room etc and are appalled at the way TRAs are damaging their chances of being accepted simply as what they are.

I completely agree with you Beverley, it's like we sleep walked into this debacle, believing that everyone would be respected, treated fairly and with dignity. That was our mistake. With the aid of trans activists and their "allies", women have been well and truly screwed over. We now have nowhere that we're safe, not even a hospital bed, prison or refuge. We're not to ask for intimate examinations to be conducted by a female and if we're raped or assaulted by them, we mustn't insult them by referring to them as a male. It's a stacked deck against natal women. And alarmingly, is supported by some enablers.