Does a little bit of you...... (It's about that)

I forgot Newcastle.

Just supposing remain win - I know it is looking highly unlikely. But if they do the government just has to listen to the electorate. The difficulty is to decide how much the vote is anti eu or anti government

I hate to say this, ww, because there's been too much talk of Nazis during this referendum, but I did on OU history module on 1930s Germany. There's been quite a bit of research on the voting patterns before 1933 and this is scarily similar. I don't think we're going to have a Hitler or a holocaust, but we're going to have an economy in the sh*t unless there's some drastic boost (and it won't come from trading with Albania and Serbia haha!) and a complete reversal of social attitudes.

@ ww

I agree and I'm not confident that the Labour Party has the ability to hold them to account.

I know - if the economy does go pear shaped then I think we are in for a very rocky time. Every bit of me is hoping all the predictions are wrong.

Ah, this is where you all are!

02.54am
That is why putting things about "experts" just doesn't cut ice.

Gransnet is much like mumsnet, in that it is fairly wealthy. Gransnet is not representative of the country as regards wealth and education.
And most certainly not representative of left wing voters!

A big Remain just in for Westminster.

Ah, it was dd that talked to me about war stuff about a week ago.

Not sure Leave have won just yet though. London seems strong remain.

I really have given up trying to understand the results. Liverpool and the North West has voted Remain. The North East has voted Leave. Both have high rates of deprivation and a defunct ship building industry. Why have they voted differently?

It far too early to call, but overall Remain is underperforming.

daphne commentators are saying Liverpool result is connected to Ireland relationship.

That's Cameron gone. And by default Osborne. Who next?

This will keep the academics happy for years trying to make sense of it.

@obieone

War stuff? Well, sorry. I'm not very interested in battles and the logistics of war. I'm interested in social history and attitudes. The 1930s is still a topic of hot debate. If you really want me to bore the pants off you, I'll lecture you about pre-1830s English poor laws and social attitudes to the poor .

DD
Because they are fed up with not being listened to.

What are the money markets doing and things like ftses?

@Wilma

Maybe, but I would say that the relationship with Ireland is now quite weak. People probably still come on the ferry from Dublin, but they don't stay in Liverpool. I actually know more Irish where I live now than I ever did when I lived on Merseyside.

ww the pound has plummeted.

Not sure Cameron has gone. Or Osborne.

Not that difficult to understand the result at all.

POGS - quite.
I have to say that many people on gransnet dont listen either.Espcially in the last few weeks and days.

The people who talk a lot on gransnet about politics are quite out of touch on the whole.

@POGS

But who do they think is going to listen to them now? Certainly not right wing Tories. What do they think anybody is going to do?

Not so, obie. I have listened and have been dreading this. I still don't understand what answers people are looking for, despite asking many times.

daphne I wouldn't have made that connection as the reason.

Coventry voted Leave. I live 4 miles from there. Lost most of its huge manufacturing industry and of course, pit closures.

I think Cameron and Osborne will stay for now.

I do think there will be a general election sooner rather than later. Can't see the Tories allowing Cameron to negotiate the divorce.