Voting quandry

I don't think I have asked it before POGS. Perhaps you would like to show me where I have as you are using very accusatory language.

No I am not a Lib Dem. Perhaps jumping to conclusions is what has led you to your suggestion about the question I asked.

Why on earth would it worry me that Annie doesn't like Corbyn. I commented on here about the fact that a declared member of a party is so destructive towards that party but I would say that about anyone who declared their membership and then, on every single politics thread went on and on and on making comments that are destructive about that party. Making such comments on here will not change that party it just adds to the arguments of those that oppose it. I have no doubt, by the way, that Corbyn is not the next Messiah. It has only been May supporters who I have seen - even today - saying that she can do no wrong.

Well, you may think it's OK to talk to a third person and refer to 'she' but what I was taught is that it is bad manners unless you started the sentence with that person's name.

I have nothing to 'come off' except the sofa.

Jalima, it's a forum. There are more things in the world to worry about than that.
Anyway, Annie knew what was meant. She didn't complain.

No voting quandary for me. Anything but Tory, preferably someone who can beat a Tory.

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I did not say that my politics were the exact opposite of Anniebach's. I said that I did not share most of her political views, which is a very different thing. 'Exact opposite' assumes two parties only, a bit like football teams.

It is this twisting of people's words to mean what their opponents want them to mean and personal mud slinging, which has been so endemic in these discussions so far, that is why I have taken little or no part in them.

It is this twisting of people's words

Which, while throwing accusations at others is exactly what you have done M0nica and I do hope GN are watching because I am getting really fed up of the casual and unchecked allegations.

Although your name was in the reply that was to indicate - and it was very clear - that I was replying to you. My comment not being "in the least surprised that someone whose political views are of the exact opposite of those of the party AB says she supports will support what she has been saying" were general. It is not all about YOU!

So we now have the local elections results coming in. And it looks like ABC has prevailed and the Tories have got Councils that shouldn't have been expected. (Their merger with UKIP must have helped too.)

5 weeks to meltdown and a hard brexit. Unless people start voting for policies rather than personalities

What you actually said was:, you left a word out. twisting?

I am not in the least surprised that someone whose political views are of the exact opposite of those of the party AB says she supports will support what she has been saying M0nica

I have no idea M0nica. Twisting was your word; where do you think I have left it out?

The sentence you quote is clearly general but the 'M0nica' shows the post is in answer to you. If you want to believe I was saying your politics are the exact opposite of those of the party AB says she supports there is nothing I can do to stop you but that is clearly not what I said. Deliberate misreading is not helpful but you seem to want to continue to do it.

I have reported your accusations M0nica. Perhaps GN can explain it to you - and me!

Wipe-out for UKIP with votes moving to Conservatives. Tells you a lot about how far Cons have moved to the right but perhaps we are seeing a huge movement to the far right in this country

I have always said I support the Labour Party, I do not support the Corbyn-Momentum party.

Corbyn is a wolf in sheeps clothing .

The Labour Party is changing dramatically under Corbyn and McDonnell, hence (or because of?) the influx of new members for whom the party was previously not to their liking. Those people can hardly complain when they find that there is an inevitable loss of votes from those who very much supported the party in its earlier form, and are all now looking for new homes for their vote. It's not rocket science.

Some of us left and rejoined because we did not like the bit in the middle, Fitzy.

I have always said I support the Labour Party, I do not support the Corbyn-Momentum party.

Corbyn is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

[yawn]

Fitzy those who have been attacking the LP from within will get their wish as it looks as if the LP too may be wiped out in the GE. It may, in the long run, be a good thing but it will give May and her far-right party a huge majority.

I would question that those who are complaining about Corbyn et al supported the party in its earliest form but rather, as you said, in one of its many morphs. It would show a little humility if they recognised that they, at the time, were also trying to change the party and they see that as OK because it was what THEY wanted. It seems some of the up coming generation now want something else - and they are voters too.

GGM2. I doubt very much that GNHQ are interested in any posts that you complain about.Monica has been entirely reasonable in her replies, it is you who have not.Threatening posters with the reporting button when they have said nothing wrong and only said something that you personally do not like, never works.

Yes some of the far left did leave and some were expelled. Then the centre and centre left won three elections after the wilderness years . We had great improvements in the NHS, the minimum wage, sure start, tax credits , education improved etc.

Now the far left are taking control and the Labour Party will die and the communist party will be back

The Labour supporters on Gransnet ( bar a very few hard left) don't want the party to collapse in a heap ( which it now seems to be doing) due to the Corbyn influence, so nobody can be blamed for feeling depressed and angry that due to the £3 vote any old Trot/Socialist/call them what you will can call the shots.

Labour has lost control of Merthyr council. The birth place of the Labour Party

And of me

I realise that local election results are not always an indicator of how people will vote in a GE but it must be worrying for Labour to know that even Merthyr Tydfil is no longer a local Labour stronghold.

It's interesting how people perceive these results - some believe that, as UKIP has been decimated and Tories have done well, the country is becoming more rightwing. Others may see this as a reaction to McDonnell, Corbyn and Momentum and that they cannot tolerate this takeover of the Labour Party.

As Independents have done so well, most people could well be thinking the latter.

A GE will be more indicative of the state of the parties as there will not be so many Independent candidates.

I see you have posted about Merthy Tydfil already anniebach while I was slowly typing my post.

I wonder what Keir Hardie would make of all this?

To be honest I don't think the country as a whole has moved much at all. If, for example, David Milliband became leader of the LP and he put together a new new Labour (not a typo!) team, I think the votes would come rolling back in. Essentially the same people who put Blair in office for so long.

Corbyn visited Merthyr and instead of doing the walk he stood on the same balcony where Hardie and my g grandfather stood all those years ago, he tried the second coming performance and failed, he did anger many for promoting himself as the founder of the Labour Party .

Just come to mind, £3 to vote for Corbyn , this £3 equals the thirty pieces of silver

If you know that it can only be from personal experience Roses. I was not threatening, how could I be when I was explaining what I had already done (a threat has to come first or it is a bit pointless) to try and get some clarification!

Oh dear Roses - yet again.