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Voting quandry

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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:03:24

And their loss makes you smile Annie?

durhamjen Fri 05-May-17 10:07:50

Or sixty pieces of silver, or anything in between, if you paid in a mix of tens and fives.
Or it could be a £2 and a £1 coin.
Except it would be online by card, I would think.

durhamjen Fri 05-May-17 10:10:18

Did you see the Northumberland count? Tories denied overall control by a single seat in Blyth. Straw poll decided the last seat.

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 10:11:24

Jalima , what Hardie would have thought I haven't the foggiest but I do know what drove him to become the first labour MP because I have letters and journals .

They have been a problem for years, do I give to the party, to Aberystwyth, to Merthyr archives , well not the party now, I think to my grandson so he will know what the founders of the Labour Party fought for.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:14:05

I think you could be partly right Fitzy but I think the lower and lower voting - does anyone know what the turnout was for this - is a change in how people see politics in general. How many vote for the "I really have no influence on this' party? Personally I do think you need a party to represent the far right, the far left, middles of all sorts and, when they occur, single issues, but we will never get this under FPTP.

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 10:26:06

The spin this morning is hilarious . McDonald thinks labour did well in one council, they only lost by 5,000 votes

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:32:45

The spin this morning is hilarious . McDonald thinks labour did well in one council, they only lost by 5,000 votes

[yawn]

Fitzy54 Fri 05-May-17 10:36:02

I think voting will start to pick up again. But maybe not until they stop asking us to do it so often!

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 10:37:02

Still waiting for the results in our town, we have six labour councillors , I just cannot go down for the results, too fearful, waiting for the telephone calls. All this is not helping my ulcer !

POGS Fri 05-May-17 10:38:07

durhamjen

" Straw poll decided the last seat."

That's why 'tactical voting' and not standing behind the party you are a member of can possibly cause your party to lose.

So many constituency candidates lose out for the want of so few votes yet those such as yourself advocating 'tactical voting' could be hindering, not helping them by not backing, standing firm with your party candidate.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:40:32

Brenda did hit that nail on the head didn't Fitzy. I expect it is too early to have the turnout figures - or I am just missing them blush

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:41:05

didn't she!!!

Jalima1108 Fri 05-May-17 10:42:24

[yawn]

Oh dear GGMK I am concerned about the amount of yawning you do, don't you sleep well?

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:44:27

Does that actually work mathematically POGS? Surely it is more likely that people voted for their real party of choice and put the party they least wanted in. I'm not sure but I don't think it is a likely to work the way you say for any party.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:46:33

Oh dear GGMK I am concerned about the amount of yawning you do, don't you sleep well?

Oh dear I expect that was meant to be funny. I thought you thought you were not a person who goes around attacking people Jalima - am I your only target of choice?

Jalima1108 Fri 05-May-17 10:47:01

It will be interesting to know how the 'Independents' do in the local elections and if they can work together for the good of their areas.

Jalima1108 Fri 05-May-17 10:47:52

It wasn't an attack GGMK" it was concern for your wellbeing as it would be for anyone.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:50:41

Of course you were Jalima.

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 10:55:19

Fitzy, spare a thought for the Welsh, we had the same elections as England plus the Welsh Assembly Election

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 10:58:50

Labour has lost 76 seats so far in Wales

Tories seem to be fighting back in Scotland

GracesGranMK2 Fri 05-May-17 10:59:39

No 'we' Annie, but 'Labour'. Have you left the LP?

yggdrasil Fri 05-May-17 11:40:28

There wasn't the same reaction when Blair invented New Labour, stayed with Thatcher's policies and obliterated Clause 4. Yet that was far more of a change :-(

Jalima1108 Fri 05-May-17 11:51:56

Yes, that was a disappointment when NL carried on down the privatisation route yggdrasil

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 11:52:11

The minimum wage, tax credits , NHS improvements, Building of new schools, sure start etc were Thatchers policies? I think you are mistaken Yggdrasil

Anya Fri 05-May-17 11:57:32

Well Warwickshire has gone from NOC to Tory controlled in the CC elections. Our local Labour candidate held onto his place - he's a good man and known locally as such.

I had no doubts that there would be a falling off of Labour votes and I predict a similar result at the General Eiection. That won't stop me registering a protest vote against this government and its failings.

Just a pity the party is not electable.