I Will Deal With It

Corbyn, not Corvyn.

GNHQ, please please give us an edit button!

smileless We could play Insult Bingo!

Yes we could Primrose, I wonder what an appropriate prize would be for a full house; how about a coat of extremely thick skin?

Once again, the course the way this thread has taken is not being correctly characterised.

There are, as usual, complaints that people who are not supporters of Corbyn are having their opinions drowned out or ridiculed and May is being unfairly picked on.

At the outset of the thread, there was a preponderance of opinion that Corbyn had misled students in saying he "would deal" with student debt. Comments were often of a sarcastic or insulting nature and included:

the blessed Jeremy
liar
betrayer of the Labour Party
shyster
shyster and liar
conman
"he does not have every female voter in the country wanting to be his Mummy"

A response to trisher told her:

"more fool you for believing in Corbyn"

*Primrose posted a cartoon ridiculing Corbyn and kept asking the same question about what "deal with it" meant, when several posters had already posted the text of what he had said and a copy of the Labour Party manifesto which did not include an undertaking to write off student debt.

Primrose then referred to the number of Twitter comments criticising Corbyn - and posted links to one-liners, which added nothing sensible.

I wondered why Primrose, a person who is so forthright about her dislike of Corbyn and the Labour Party, is so coy about her own political position. My comment elicited this response:

"It is just done to stop the discussion. Attack TM, the posters, their opinions - it's pathetic .... I am not engaging with it any more .... they can deal with it"

However, it appears Primrose has recovered from her fit of pique and has continued to post.

And thank you durhamjen for posting a copy of Osborne's 2003 letter stating the Conservatives' intention to abolish tuition fees all together. Perhaps that was vote catching - who's to know. In any event, he and his party have actually been in power and no such thing occurred - in fact they quite spectaculary did the very opposite.

Thank yoou for that resumé, Eloethan. Very useful for anyone who hasn't been following the thread...

I might add that I was roundly put in my place by whitewave some while ago when I ventured to guess that she was a Labour supporter - goodness, you'd think it was back in the 50s when no one revealed their party allegiance even to their nearest and dearest!

Eloethan thanks for the critique of some of my posts. I'm not happy discussing anything personal as I'm not interested in the personal attacks it generates.
My posts on one thread have you mentioning my name 4 times in your post. Other responders you disagree with are not named - just me. Any reason you single me out?

primrose would you care to address the objective post by Eloethan above (re-citing dj) regarding George Osborne's letter?

Yes, a good summary of the thread so far Eloethan although a little one sided. Interesting because the majority of the comments are a criticism of JC where as posters who support him have a tendency to criticise TM's supporters rather than TM.

It's only those who care about the truth (ie only JC supporters care about the truth)

A poster was told she had comprehension difficulties

'None so deaf who will not hear'

A poster was told she unable to understand a simple statement and explanation

A poster was accused of playing games

" " was told she was leading people around in circles

" " was told she was attempting to tie people in knots

Posters told they were bringing things down to a chant

I think it's reasonable to say that those not supportive of JC are having their opinions ridiculed but not I'm glad to say not drowned out.

smileless, would you care to comment on George Osborne's letter?

devongirl wtf? That was 14 years ago and a letter by someone who's no longer an MP! Who cares what I think about it.

So what?! Complete u-turn on tory promise, but I guess that doesn't count?

devongirl I'm certain there are better examples than a random Osborne letter!

Yes if you like. It's about scrapping student fees, not getting rid of student debt per se and I don't have to say that it's something that the gov. didn't do because we all know that to be the case.

It didn't, as far as I'm aware form a part of the Conservative manifesto and wasn't something that was used to win over discontented young voters just weeks before a GE.

As for my personal opinion, I would want to know how much revenue would be needed to cover that brought in by student fees, and where it was coming from if they're to be scrapped.

I think it's pretty rich for Vince Cable to "ask JC to apologise for breaking a pledge". His party actually made a pledge but reneged on it in a very big way.

If Labour gets into power and Corbyn then does nothing to ease the pain of tuition fee debt accrued/interest charged then be can be accused of breaking his word but until then it is Cable and the Lib Dems who have done that and no amount of deflecting attention should allow us to forget it.

Actually of course it wasn't part of the labour manifesto to scrap existing student fees.

I think it's pretty rich for Vince Cable to "ask JC to apologise for breaking a pledge"

Vince Cable didn't say that!

I posted Cable's tweet yesterday. He said that the LibDems had apologised for breaking their pledge. Nothing about a Labour pledge..

This is what Vince Cable said

#Labour has backtracked on #StudentDebt . Yet #LibDems still attacked for breaking pledge in 2010. .@nick_clegg apologised. Your turn Jeremy

My comment was to smileless, btw.

He also didn't win yet ...

You've got me a bit devongirl

Oh hang on, did you say it wasn't part of labour's manifesto because I said I didn't think scrapping tuition fees was part of a conservative manifesto?

If so, I didn't say it was in the labour manifesto devongirl. I said it wasn't something the conservatives came out just weeks before a GE to win over discontented young voters; which of course was what JC did.

Nick Clegg reneged when he had a chance to actually do something.

labourlist.bluestatedigital.com/page/m/2c9aecb2/13fa0d4e/63e9b5ce/34ad125f/2644060526/VEsC/

Same message. Students did not think that Corbyn was promising to cancel their debts.

durhamjen Yougov are reputable, however, the survey was done on 25th July (yesterday) There's no guarantee that the results are representative of what was understood at the time he said them.