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Why are we leaving?

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yggdrasil Thu 05-Oct-17 08:49:38

This vid says a lot. Especially why the EU finds our government's attitude so incomprehensible

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgu6pFz5oxA

(it is about 8 mins long)

Bambam Thu 05-Oct-17 20:45:52

Durhamjen, I've already explained that in a post above.

whitewave Thu 05-Oct-17 20:47:13

bam I think you will find if you re-read my posts that I have expressed no opinion, merely pointed out the strange coincidence.

Bambam Thu 05-Oct-17 20:48:09

Backtreading! Ha!

whitewave Thu 05-Oct-17 20:49:54

Sorry?

Bambam Thu 05-Oct-17 20:51:03

As I said before! The publication that you read, White Revival must use quotes from other publications as I have repeatedly said. I have never heard of it!!!!!

Bambam Thu 05-Oct-17 20:54:48

Apology accepted Whitewave!

whitewave Thu 05-Oct-17 20:55:43

Blimey you are really protesting quite a lot at my fascination at how similar it was to your posts that is all. I m quite happy to accept you have never heard of it and merely suggested that you might be interested to read your words in a publication, that is all. If you have no interest in doing so fair enough. End of subject.

durhamjen Thu 05-Oct-17 21:02:52

Genocide literally means the mass murder of a whole race or culture.
It's therefore not possible, as I said, to commit genocide on the whole of Europe.
They are not a homogeneous group. They do not have the same racial or cultural structure.

Bambam Thu 05-Oct-17 21:03:25

Again! I accept your apology! Thankyou!

Bambam Thu 05-Oct-17 21:04:28

Omg! It's like talking to drones! I'm off! Byeeee!

durhamjen Thu 05-Oct-17 21:08:15

We just have to carry on repeating it, because you do not understand. It's like trying to teach children who do not want to know.
Watching Educating Greater Manchester now.

Drones are very nasty aircraft that bomb people. I am not one of those. Don't you know anything?

newnanny Thu 05-Oct-17 21:10:08

The reason we are leaving is because when Cameron tried to talk to them and explain how many felt about Merkyl inviting unlimited immigrants into EU, many of which were purely economic migrants, the EU refused to listen and take UK concerns into account. They offered Cameron a crap deal and so over 52% of the population said we would rather be out, following our own laws, making our own decisions on migration and controlling our own money than allow the unelected and unaccountable Junker
to control our destiny. We paid in far more than we ever got out of EU and they will not give us a fair trade deal because they are p*ss*d off the UK did not knuckle under and agree to let things carry on in same vein. Why limit ourselves to only trade with a small EU block when we can be free to trade with the entire world? The EU will miss UK more than UK misses EU. If they had been reasonable and listened to concerns of UK many would not have voted to leave. The bottom line is Junker is egotistic maniac who does not know meaning of flexible negotiations and so will force UK to leave with no deal but that is his aim/choice.

Welshwife Thu 05-Oct-17 21:14:49

Going back a page or so --- can anyone tell me who the white elite would be? Written by an Austrian so is it Northern European people- ?

lemongrove Thu 05-Oct-17 21:20:43

Exactly newnanny that’s how ‘valued’ we were by the EU
Hierarchy.High time we left, and am looking forward to it and have already got the champagne in.???

durhamjen Thu 05-Oct-17 21:23:20

You'd have to, lemongrove. By the time we leave it will cost twice as much.

durhamjen Thu 05-Oct-17 21:25:12

I wonder if Bambam realised that, Welshwife.
Won't the Austrians be killed in that genocide?

lemongrove Thu 05-Oct-17 21:28:36

At five times the cost of champagne, it will be worth it.?

lemongrove Thu 05-Oct-17 21:29:55

The puffed up bureaucrats in the EU only have themselves to blame for us leaving.

Bambam Thu 05-Oct-17 21:30:44

Oh dear! Durhamjen. Showing our ignorance now!
Drone: a male bee, or a remote controlled aircraft.
Or, as my description of you, A monotonous speech. 'only twenty minutes of the hour-long drone had passed'
For the fascination of Whitewave, quoted from The Oxford English Dictionary.

newnanny Thu 05-Oct-17 21:31:04

Personally I think 2 additional years of arguing is not going to get either side anywhere. I wish we were leaving March 2019 because only when that date looms will EU offer to negotiate with any heart. The alternatives are to offer vote or no vote but if people voted against the deal the alternative is to leave with no deal at all. Whilst we extend the final leaving date we must follow all EU rules so that means we cannot set up trade deals with any other nations outside of EU so just extends limbo. Personally I am fed up May has agreed to fill their black hole of cash for another 2 years when we could be spending it on NHS, social care for elderly and so many other sensible ways instead May offers to give away 20billion.

durhamjen Thu 05-Oct-17 21:32:15

According to Coudenhove-Kalergi we are all going to look like ancient Egyptians, after prejudice has been eliminated.
That's going to take a long time at the rate we are going.

lemongrove Thu 05-Oct-17 21:34:51

Yes, newnanny am inclined to agree with you there.

ck33 Thu 05-Oct-17 21:35:15

I ll try one last time: could someone explain, ( without using the words “sovereignty, indépendance, democracy, control etc...” ) how the EU has negatively affected their freedom, their happiness, their safety, their rights ....

Bambam Thu 05-Oct-17 21:36:41

Not so long if Merkel keeps opening the doors of Europe to all and sundry.

durhamjen Thu 05-Oct-17 21:38:50

No, Bambam, not showing my ignorance. You can't call us drones unless you mean bees or planes. You can't talk to drones unless they are actual objects. A bit sad, talking to a bee or a plane, though.
I knew you wouldn't be able to stay away for long.

Genocide is actual killing of people.
Getting different races to interbreed is not genocide, and it takes a lot longer.
Anyway, as I said, Kalergi thought it was a way to get rid of prejudice, which is a good thing.