Why are we leaving?

More blah blah blah from Remoaners.
Might well be worth not doing a deal with the EU at all.
Save a fortune, and start doing deals elsewhere right away.

Why are we leaving? - because a wholly unnecessary referendum took place for political reasons, where people were asked to vote with no proper well-researched information about the alternative outcomes. Because said referendum was turned into an unedifying media circus that helped no-one to become informed about the issues involved. Britain's worst hour I think - wholly embarrassing.

I was on the fence and spent a lot of time researching online for papers from those with differing views, and I came to a conclusion based on that. But it was a close-run thing for me, as indeed was the result nationally.

I think Cameron is a thoroughly dishonest individual to unleash such a farce on the British people, and then slink away to a comfy life with his family. Disgraceful.

lemon your remark saying “start doing deals elsewhere right away” shows your clear misunderstanding of how trade outside the EU works.

This amongst other things is why we are heading for a total disaster.

I urgently recommend that you read the WTO rules and how this will affect the UK.

WW, I have worked through these posts and conclude that I'm in total agreement with your opinions - I wouldn't have been able to put them over in the same way myself.

smithy cheers! Bet you would though. I feel the same about other posts.

The Times is reporting that since the referendum this has been the longest period of negative growth since 2011.

Households are enduring the longest period of falling living standards

It hasn’t ended yet.

Productivity in Q2 was 0.9% higher than a decade ago.

The worse result for 200 years.

Ah I can hear you say -it is worth it -we are heading for the sunny uplands

Brexit is a disaster. I can't bear the namby pamby 'will of the people' stuff which all parties seeem to think locks us into disaster for decades. How wet. We're talking about our grandchildren's future here. We must fight now to say NO BREXIT. Brave up. don't be cowed. It was a badly run unthought through referendum with no sensible safeguards which allowed outright lies to be broadcast in the name of balance. Absolutely outrageous. FIGHT. NO BREXIT. If the young Corbynites had some guts they would make Corbyn change his tack. and except for some raw misogyny I have no idea what is going on in the Tory party they are so conflicted.

Haha! namby pamby will of the people eh?
Actually it’s called a legal referendum and democracy in action.
Too late! We are coming out of the EU.

But ...why? Please answer in practical terms, not “Control, sovereignty, freedom will of people” .... .What has the EU done to you personally ? I fear I know the answer and that is why I cannot live here !

Byeee!

Displaying your racism xenophobia loud and clear there, lemongrove

I think it is the English champagne at breakfast. I forgive her...thank you all the same MaizieD .

What xenophobia is that then? I have no idea which country
ck33 comes from but presumed the UK, and that she didn’t want to stay here once we leave the EU.

Some posters throw around the xenophobia/ race comment a bit too easily.

To say this again, if I was living in say Spain, and they wanted to leave the EU, I would understand that they wanted to make their own decisions on everything and not immediately assume that they didn’t want any foreigners living there at all.

it is obvious that people have voted with their guts and that «dislike» of some people (Cameron, the Eu «migrants» .....) has been an important motive. Why, when I have paid my taxes here for more than 40 years, didn’t I have a vote in this referendum, when newly arrived (including students from the commonwealth who had no intention to stay in the UK ) had one? Why should I register to stay here after 42 years? Lemon grove, I tell you, it feels like the end of a love affair. I wish you all the best .

I didn't believe in unrestrained immigration, nothing to do about race or colour before you jump on that. Did not like Brussels over ruling decisions we make as a country. Felt sorry for all those fishermen unable to fish their own waters. The people spoke, if others couldn't be bothered to get out of bed to vote, perhaps they will if we are to have a referendum on another issue. Fed up with how long it's taking, but we are not only trying to please Europe our own people are intent on disrupting it because of sour grapes. Do you want a democracy or not? Like a bereavement or a death, thing take time. I have friends from many countries and they can understand shy we did it. Like Corbyn lots of people want to de rail anything to get their point over. These people bullying May are bullying cowards, whether you like her or not. Their actions and language are a disgrace. She behaves with quiet dignity but you can see how nervous she is, there are other ways, ie democratic means to get someone out.

I have no idea which country ck33 comes from but presumed the UK, and that she didn’t want to stay here once we leave the EU.

You are being disingenuous, lemongrove or not reading people's posts very carefully. It seemed blatantly obvious that *ck33^ wasn't British.

All you Leavers who cheerfully tell people to get out if they don't like it would look pretty stupid if 16 million people, + the 3 million EU nationals living here, all left the UK. Particularly as most of them are of working age and are currently paying the taxes and NI which pay your pension and any medical treatment you might need.

ck33 can I ask you a question. Why do you feel that you can't live here any more when we leave the EU? And has something bad happened personally to you to make you feel this way?
You say that you have lived and worked here for 40 odd years and your children have been born here. You must be settled here by now, Gb leaving the EU doesn't mean that people have to leave. And what about your children? They are British, do you think that they will be happy to leave.
You sound very fearful for some reason but if you can calm down I'm pretty sure your life here will be more or less unchanged.
I have friends living in Spain and they have no intention of returning here after we leave, they say they can't see much of a change for them.
My son has a friend from Argentina living here with his Phillapean girlfriend and their son, born here three years ago. I have spoken to them and they don't see any problems with living here after we leave EU. Try not to listen to the scaremongers, it will be fine.

Bambam

You have very clearly not been keeping yourself informed of the current uncertainties faced by EU citizens resident in the UK and UK nationals resident in other EU countries. I'd suggest that you do a bit of research.

(Did your friends in Spain vote Leave, by any chance?)

In case you hadn't noticed, Argentina and the Philippines aren't in the EU so the case of your son's friend is completely irrelevant.

We can't deport people with criminal records so don't think law abiding foreign citizens have much to fear.

You are very confrontational and abrasive Maizie. No my friend in Spain voted to stay in EU! She has lived there for over 30 years as have all her expat friends. None of them are worried about having to leave. It's not going to happen!

MaizieD replied for me.
I have had 3 aggressive remarks made to me , related to my accent and therefore origins, since last year, after having spent 27 years teaching in compréhensives in «difficult» areas without any problem.! Something has changed in this country and i suppose these incidents have made me feel fragile. I am grateful that I am blonde and white skinned as I cannot imagine how hurtful «racism» could be as compared to «simple xenophobia». Some neighbours have stopped saying hello. It has opened a Pandora s box. I don t feel at home anymore.

I also haven t heard that any other EU country (apart from Britain) is preparing to ask UK citizens to leave, to be taxed extra, to register on a special list, to ask for citizenship etc... the UK citizens in the EU are safe . They haven’t been told to «b* r off» by passers by . Their biggest worry is the UK s decision about the status of EU citizens here as they can understand that their adoptive countries would implement the same discrimination. Sorry I sound so miserable...but I am!