Why are we leaving?

Perhaps this thread on twitter will cheer up some Leavers. It seems that young people who voted Remain are taking their 'advice' and leaving the UK...

twitter.com/Hanna_Jameson/status/916053586563432449

Why on earth should posters explain anything to you MaizieD simply because you demand it?
Leavers do not need cheering up, we are extremely cheerful just to be leaving, I think it’s the other lot who need your good cheer.

That is their prerogative, to do as they please. If they feel that they want to move to another country, I hope they do well and it works out for them. That is what some young people do!
I have a friend who moved to Australia at 21, she's still there in Queensland after 40 years and considers herself Australian. For her, she made the right decision.
I have also friends who moved to Spain in their 40,s and another friend went to Gibraltar and is still there.
The World is getting smaller, people move around.

Hi Lemongrove, Like you, I am extremely cheerful and feel its a waste of time replying to some of the posts on here. There are some very gloomy and bitter people commenting on here.

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Maizie, have you read all the replies to that tweet?
Not the usual, but all those people saying they are leaving, including older ones.
One woman said they had made a mistake by coming back from Spain to see the grandchildren, and now the grandchildren are leaving.

I know a couple who are thinking of moving to Madrid next summer. The company they work for has offices in Madrid and Barcelona. They are in their 40s.
I know another couple who are selling up in Devon and moving to Greece.
I know another couple who holiday in France a lot and are thinking of moving there.

It's not just the young.

I've read all the replies, dj, that's why I posted it.

Definitely going to be good for net migration figures.
Bad for the NHS, banking and engineering companies.

Hi Maisie, bit of banter re: my friend in Spain. There was of course nothing intriguing about it. You knew the answers yourself.
Yes! She has a place here and Yes! She comes back, usually when too hot over there.

In which case she hasn't really left the UK, so it's not the same.

Not the same as what? ck33 who has lived here 43 years and yet is still a French citizen. It's just the same!
She visits England but she lives in Spain.
She has lot invested in Spain and is not worried at all about being asked to leave the country. It's not going to happen.
She's lived there before Spain joined the Eu and she was not asked to leave then.
Anyone would think that people didn't live in other countries before the Eu was formed but they did.
All this scaremongering is ludicrous!

Also I would suggest that you keep your opinions to yourself when you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
You are embarrassing yourself now!

I see the Telegraph is reporting that Brussels has de died to step up talks with labour as they think the Tory Government might fall.

Pity the homeless migrants in London don't go home for good I'd contribute to their ticket.

I can't understand why the homeless beggars mostly from Romania have not been deported by now.

I reckon if one of the main parties decided to quite Brexit in its manifesto, the other would follow it in a flash as it’s such a poison chalice and utterly impossibly difficult no one really wants to go near it, which is also the reason May is still in her job as who in their right mind would take it in right now, except loathsome Leadsome who is so dim she would simply be a puppet for the loons.

Assume your friend is still registered as living in UK then Bambam despite living in Spain most of the time. She is in a different position to those who actually live in anEU country and pay taxes there.
You are supposed to declare residency in the country you live more than six months of the year. That does have tax and healthcare implications depending on the countries involved.

Yes I know Welshwife! She dosn,t need to declare residency as she comes back to the Uk a couple of times a year.
You could actually just go over the border to Portugal for a day to not have to declare residency if you wanted to.
All the expats know the rules, they live within them.

There are many I know who are residents and have been for numerous years.
My original comment to Maisie was only that my friend lived in Spain and had property there and she was not concerned about having to leave after Brexit.
It was Maisie who went down the road of "i bet she voted to leave"
I was not even talking about that.
When I replied that she had actually voted Remain, Maisie said she would be very interested to know how she managed to vote if she had lived there 30 years.
I was just making a statement about my friend not being concerned about having to leave Spain after Brexit.
I hadn't expected an interrogation about her life.
You people need to come down off your "high horses".

None of my English friends living in Spain for some years have residency. They all pay property taxes but all have private medical insurance. They are hardly hiding themselves as they all have English reg cars on their property.

We have just learned that one of out biggest customers is moving it's 2 most productive lines out of the UK next year. This will undoubtedly mean an extremely paired down workforce and a massive loss to their first and second tier suppliers too. I always knew this would happen if the LEAVE vote won. We should brace ourselves for a massive exist of what is left of our manufacturing.

Hi Bambam, sorry forgot what I was going to say.

I agree whitewave. Brexit has revealed a nasty undeside to the British character which is normally kept in check by our parliamentary democracy. The EU has some faults but nothing like those of the vain, self serving, callous Farage, Johnson and Rees Mogg.
Let's hope the fairer kinder Bristish character will win through.
As Pollaigh said we are only in this dreadful position through lazy lack of foresight. Cameron didn't imagine the British people would really vote to Leave as it makes no sense to thinking people - but he underestimated the perfidy of Leavers and their false promises. And yes we could have had caps on immigration in EU like most other countries ensuring we only took workers we needed rather than no limits at all - but no we went for the cheap labour option accross the board.
We would lose such valuable people in care homes, in hospitals, nursing, teaching. I feel so ashamed at the treatment they have received. I'm sorry ck33 that you have experienced unpleasantness. I have many friends who also have been subjected to hate completely out of the blue.
But I for one am not giving up the fight to stay in the EU. Freedom of movement, protection for our climate, animal welfare, workers rights, womens rights. None of them secure in the race to the bottom the UK will face in the unprotected world of global greed. And who would want a special relationship with Donald Trump? We will fight to stay in. We won't have such a good deal as we had before but we will stay in.

Sorry to labour the point about Bambam's friend in Spain
1) I asked 'did she vote Leave, by any chance?' because in my experience it's usually Leave voters who are unbothered by, or don't see any, adverse consequences from Brexit
2) I haven't said a word about her being asked to leave Spain, can't think where Bb got that notion from
3) This 'friend' is not typical of the UK nationals living in the EU who are worried about their future post Brexit. I'm talking here of UK nationals who live permanently in the EU because of marriage, jobs etc.

So really, Bb's original post proposing that Brexit wouldn't cause EU nationals in the UK and UK nationals in the EU any problems relied on a Brit not actually permanently resident on the EU and a couple in the UK who aren't from the EU at all.

And people wonder why Remainers get cross when Leavers don't appear to have understood the problems

Bambam, I do know what I am talking about as my brother has lived in Spain since he left the army.
But do carry on being your usual nasty self.

I agree with everything you say, grannygranby.
May is getting worried as she keeps repeating that she wants EU citizens to stay. She didn't when she was home secretary and had signs on the side of vans telling them to go home.
The nasty underside comes from the top down.