Labour Party and anti semitism

Their movements are restricted, but nobody is starving to death, and there are doctors and hospitals that Palestinian people can use, as you well know.It’s not the best situation for them agreed, but in no way is it comparable to how the nazis treated the Jewish people, and if you really think that, a trip to Belsen should be on your wish list.
Am sick of apologists for anti-semitism.

*lemongrove' how do you know what JC does? Just because it is not on the front of the popular press does not mean it does not happen!

Paddyann compared the number of Russians who died in WW2 with the number of victims who died in the death camps

Zionism and anti-semitism are two different things.

JC couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

Lemongrove have you been to Gaza? You obviously do not see Palestinians as human beings equal to their Jewish neighbours. That can be perceived as racist too you know. Being Anti Palestinian is no less racist than being anti-Semetic or would you disagree?

Not sure what you mean Lemongrove Zionism is a political ideology and Anti-Semitism is hatred of Jews.

PECS, this thread is anti semitism in the Labour Party not racism in Israel, distraction yet again.

I was answering trisher’s question ( up thread) PECS and not yours.
I have been to both Israel and Gaza in the past, and know that life can be difficult for the Palestinians.
You know nothing about me PECS so cannot make sweeping statements about how I view anybody.
However hard life can be for the Palestinian people, it does not compare to how the Nazis treated Jewish people, which was part of trisher’s original question.

How is it that the West Bank is comparatively peaceful and yet Gaza is a tinderbox?! A genuine question, not a dig.

Equally lemon you no nothing about me either.. not sure what relevance that has to anything! I think difficult is a real understatement!

Anniebach you are not naïve & you know that the accusations of anti-Semitism would not have arisen if JC had not been open in his support for the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians and his wish to see the UN Human Rights recommendations adhered to in Gaza.

There is racism all over the place and one is not worse than another. All the accusations of 'Islamaphobia rife in the Tory party' is allowed to go unchallenged. Why I wonder is the media not gunning for that to be investigated?

Iam64 JC also has a very strong record of being a good MP, of fighting racism, including anti-Semitism. He may not be the leader needed but I do not believe he is a bad person. It is clear that there is a centrist (Blairite) and left wing (Corbyn) battle going on in the LP. The right wing , outside the party, are capitalising on this and I really believe they have manipulated all the anti-semetic stuff. In addition the Tory party are delighted to have a media distraction from their own nightmares.

PECS - very good summary.
This topic has already been discussed at great length on Gransnet. eg
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1250299-Labour-gone-mad
It's upsetting that a subject which should be separate from politics should be used by the conservative biased media to further their aims.
Why did you have to dig it up again, Annie?

I disagree Pecs, this is no far right plot, so often Corbyn supporters have defended him for supporting the IRA, they claim he believes in speaking to all sides, rubbish , he only speaks to those he supports. When Shami gave her press announcement on her findings on anti semitism Ruth Smeeth was verbally attacked by a chap from Momentum, Ruth ran from the room crying, Corbyn just sat there and after they were finished he shooked hands with and chatted to Ruth’s attacker. This is the man you defend, this is the man I condemn as weak and a hypocrite .

Wadsworth, the Momentum man who behaved despicably was investigated and was expelled from membership for bringing the Labour Party into disrepute on 27 April 2018.

JC dealt with it.

Because I chose to Fennel and I do not read the conservative biased media, I know corbynites want it left buried, I choose to bring it into the open here, my choice as it is your choice to ignore it.

I respect Margaret Hodge, I have no respect for Corbyn because he is not an honest man. I voted for him because I thought he was honest, he betrayed by trust and the trust of many.

Corbyn dealt with it ? After shaking hands with the man minutes after he bullied Ruth ? Yep a hypocrite

Corbyn may not be a bad man but he is a weak man surrounded by strong personalities, the inmates have taken over the asylum.Momentum and like minded people are eating away at the heart of the LP and this anti-semitic attitude is but one aspect of the arrogant and narrow mindedness now going on.

Good post Iam64 and I believe you are right.

The Momentum man attacked Ruth June 2016, he was expelled from the party April 2018. Didn’t rush did they , two years to investigate what was televised live.

would you deny the right of a Palestinian to compare the treatment of his (or her) people with the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis?
Their treatment is appalling but they have not been sent to the gas chambers in an attempt at total extermination.

Being Jewish or a being someone who despises what is happening in the Labour Party at the moment does not equate with being Zionist.

I didn't mention Jeremy Corbyn in my post. PECS I don't see him as a bad person either. I don't see him as a strong or electable leader of the LP but I accept that many other labour voters disagree with my views. I've no problem with that and given the current government, I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that the LP wins the next election.

trisher, I accept that some people have difficulty with the current definition of anti semitism. They seem to be in a minority world wide, if not with many in the LP which so far as I'm aware, is the only political party that set about re-writing it.
The treatment of the Palestinian people, the illegal settlements on the West Bank are unacceptable. So is the behaviour of many other governments in the Middle East. We expect more of the government in Israel, I expect better from the government in Israel.
I would never compare the Israeli government to Nazi's unless they took to attempting to totally wipe out every member of a faith

You might not Iam64 but would you deny a Palestinian the right to do so?

I certainly would.

Jallima inhumanity to one's fellow man should not be tolerated or dismissed as 'not so bad' because they are not as hideous as other acts of inhumanity that have occurred.
The progroms and subsequent Holocaust were a very dreadful and hideous and so many lives are still affected by their family's experience. I sincerely hope we never see the like of it again against any group/race/religious faith etc. though sadly there have been many subsequent attempts across the world to annihilate people.
It is a fact that the Israeli Government has ignored the UN rulings about taking land they are not entitled to, child prisoners etc etc. This is inhumanity and is a way to undermine and repress the people in Palestine. UK/USA has singularly failed to support the UN rulings and so Israel continues to dehumanise the Palestinian culture, history and people.