Labour Party and anti semitism

Though I accept the fact that you wouldn’t trisher

You still haven’t read trisher’s post PECS the question is
Not that the treatment to Palestinians is unfair/harsh ( it is) but that it equates to the same treatment meted out to Jews in Nazi Germany during the war years.It patently isn’t the same.

Not as bad means exactly that, not as bad!

Back to the LP?

What did Palestine have to do with the wall mural Corbyn admired

Ian Austin speaks

www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/29/shocked-my-party-offending-jews-says-labour-mp-antisemitism-ian-austin

Anniebach you are not fooling any discerning reader. This thread is just a cheap shot at JC because you simply don’t like him.

I remember reading somewhere that you admire Teresa May. I wish you would stop pretending to be a ‘life long Labour supporter’ and come clean.

If you’re not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

There are divisions amongst Jewish people on this issue..in fact it would be anti-Semetic to suppose all Jews thought the same!
I have never compared the undermining of the Palestinian culture, the imprisoning of children, controlling and limiting movement of people and essential goods, confiscation of possessions and destruction of the means to make a living & of homes, humiliation of people at checkpoints, building a wall , acquiring Palestinian land illegally, disproportionate military responses to stone throwing, shooting & illegal killing of medics, journalists & unarmed protestors, preventing worship etc etc to the treatment of Jews in Germany. This is simply the treatment of Palestinian people today by the current Israeli government and its army.

OldMeg, I take your post as accusing me of lying.

I admire Teresa May’s dignity, I find JRM amusing, I have always like Ken Clarke, I have never said I support their politics, you owe me an apology for accusing me of pretending to be a life long labour supporter, I never pretend to be anything , you dig in your muck , qshame on you for lying to defend Corbyn

How sad someone had to sink to personal insults , says much about that poster .

Another over emotional and rude post. Digging in muck! Really ... what kind of person uses language like that? Get a grip woman.

Your hatred of JC is obvious and blocks out any rational thought. He is the leader of the LP. Get over it!

Yes, it does say much about you indeed Annie - or don’t you see the irony of your post ???

Do not address me as ‘woman’ please, you really are offensive, accuse me of lying to the forum , address me as ‘woman’, I know Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party, I voted for him. Nothing emotional in my reply to you, unless you see truth as emotional OldMeg.

Don’t you understand why you cannot be a life-long Labour supporter? You do not support today’s Labour Party because you hate its leader and presumably you are still alive! So not life-long any more!!!

Woman? What’s wrong with that? Are you not a woman? Shall I address you as Lady Annie perhaps, or Madam ???

PS don’t confuse your version of politics as ‘truth’. You need to learn to distinguish between fact and opinion.

Freedom of speech not allowed in the party.

Exactly so Annie.

Criticism of the leadership (and far left Momentum) will not be tolerated. I imagine there are Labour members doing a lot of background recruiting work in the constituencies of those who are critical of Corbyn. Watch at the time of elections for only far left candidates to be standing for Labour.

Hardly an unbiased theory Day6. Your support of the Right has been noted in previous threads and interesting indeed that Anniebach finds a kindred spirit in you.

Nothing wrong of course with your preference for right wing politics, we are all entitled to our views, but just so long as we understand that coming from a difference political stance often means the spreading of misinformation eg freedom of speech not allowed in the party.

and call the leader of the Labour Party anti-semitic without giving any valid reason apart from the fact that she has Jewish ancestors

Think that one through Trisher. I imagine Margaret Hodge got sick to the stomach of anti-Israel, anti-Jew exchanges and dialogue within the Labour party, simply because their are family links.

If it becomes apparent that a party holds a political bias against people of your heritage of course you would feel enough is enough - the insult is there and no explanation for feeling offended is necessary.

Jews throughout Britain are outraged that one of the main political parties is so biased against them, and rightly so.

Anti Semitism is hateful. End of. I applaud any Labour MP with the guts to speak out.

Oh and further to the above, there have been many examples of Corbyn's anti Semitic stance. I am sure Margaret Hodge does not have to list them. Reading Gransnet threads on the topic would give anyone enough ammunition against him.

OldMeg, obviously you are use to being adressed as ‘woman’ I am not, I have a Christian name.

You have little knowledge of Party membership, one can be a party member but have no respect for the party leader, heaven knows Corbyn worked against Labour Party leaders and he a labour MP . It happens in parties, surprised you who preach to me about party membership didn’t know this.

I will support freedom to say what you believe as long as it does not incite hatred or encourage others to harm anyone. Which is why extreme politics or ideologies that encourage supremacy of one group over another through subjugation of others cannot be afforded the right of free speech.
The LP does not ban free speech! It encourages open debate but the rules of engagement do need to exclude personal insults and lies. I am aware that this has become the norm..lies and insults..in almost every strata and shade from pink to dark blue of political life..which is so depressing.

Hardly an unbiased theory Day6. Your support of the Right has been noted in previous threads and interesting indeed that Anniebach finds a kindred spirit in you.

Oh for goodness sakes OldMeg your nasty criticism of anyone who doesn't hold your left wing views has also 'been noted'.

I do not 'support the right' - I support common sense blow with the wind politically. For your information I was a staunch Labourite for years. Like many of the same ilk we have moved away from the Corbyn and co version of Socialism/Marxism. That is allowed.

If I agree with people like Annie, that too is permissible so stop your censorious tone. That too has been 'noted'. (Are you the original Big Brother?)

Are you denying that Momentum is grooming candidates to stand for the Labour party, that future MPs, if elected, will have been approved by Momentum? That approach too has caused a furore in Labour circles.

One has to sympathise with Hodge and Austin. Their days as Labour representatives are probably numbered. Watch this space.

Listening to the Radio 4 debate earlier today there were Jews on who did not support Margaret Hodge so the ‘Jews throughout Britain’ comment is misinformation.

Statements such as ‘I imagine Margaret Hodge....’ are pure surmise.

And I’m interested to note your turn of phrase ‘enough ammunition against him’ - which is of course where you are coming from..

Fine, if you want to argue in this way, so long as you realise the discerning reader can see through the waffle etc.

I have friends & acquaintances who are very unhappy that their opinions are being merged into one 'Jewish voice' when in fact there are as many different shades of political opinion, including staunch supporters of JC, amongst Jewish people as there are an any group. Margaret Hodge can no more speak for all Jews as I can for all people with curly hair!