Breakaway Labour MP’s

Sorry but I am chilling with a bar of Valentine Toblerone & catching up on Cold Feet which I missed yesterday!

Which insults did you see?

PECS

By reading the right wing Telegraph are you by default according to trisher ' One of the big problems is that so many are prepared to take the word of a right wing press and even echo it. They seem unable to think for themselves.'

Are you unable to ' think for yourself '? I don't think so but that is the problem when others feel they know how/why other people read right wing papers.

Annie there are so many instances of the cowardly and untrue things that Corbyn says ( in trying to wriggle out of past actions) that how anyone can still think he has principles and is honest as the day is long is quite frankly amazing.

You have confused me again POGS sorry!!
I said that I read a range of media sources & based on a that range of information & perspectives I thought for myself that a left of centre government would be one I would want to support.
Stop looking for arguments where none exist! Chill!

True lemon. Seems there are different views on the definition of ‘integrity’

Joan Ryan Labour MP has resigned from the Labour Party and will join the seven who resigned yesterday .

She said Corbyn isn’t fit to be PM and he is playing games with brexit

Seven - and now eight - MPs hardly concealing their smirks. They should stand for re-election.

I still support the Labour party and have no time for people like Joan Ryan who I am not at all surprised to see has resigned. She went out of her way, at a crucial time, to send letters to her constituents which undermined Corbyn. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but to do such a thing just before an election was, I think, really out of order.

Another MP who voted for the Iraq war (and against any investigation of it) and for replacing Trident.

Also voted for tuition fees.

comrades
Really. Last heard this language as a student nurse in 1982! Thought it was hilarious then as a teenager.

Most people are far left or even far right as teenagers but you grow up.

You assimilate and empathise and mature. You see both sides of any situation. You stop throwing insults. You stop shouting and being a twat and you start seeing other people’s views and value them for their principals.

Especially is you disagree with them.

I admire.

Frank field
Anna Soubery
Yvette Cooper
Hillary Benn
Nigel farrage (yes)
Jacob Reece mogg
Tom watson
Tony Blaire
Tony Benn
Neil Kinnock
And the late great John Smith

You can admire people you profoundly disagree with as they are true to what they believe and polarisation Is just silly really

I'm 74 and if anything I have moved leftwards.

Only Tony Benn from your list sticks out as an admirable person.

Tony Blair led us into the Iraq War by lying to us. Only half a million dead in Iraq!

And I should perhaps say that it is the inequalities in our society, and the impoverishment of the frail and vulnerable that keep me moving left.

When these problems are solved (worldwide too) I will be quite happy to retire from activism and sit around knitting.

Glad I am out of the Momentum Party, good grief ‘comrades’ ?

I still don’t think Tory MP’s will leave their party. They know they can change their leader .

Labour MP’s , the majority do not want Corbyn as leader, can’t change their leader.

I think you may be proved wrong Annie

mycat whilst my list may not match yours I agree with the sentiment that you can often respect people who stick to their principles and who behave in an honourable way & because they do believe it is good for all & not just to feather their own nests/ keep in control etc but still believe they are completely wrong!

mycat PECS same for me

Corbyn believes in reaching out to people, he hasn’t spoken to Luciana since 2017. This is reaching out ?

Annie I do not know the ins an outs of the relationship between JC & LB . But not speaking can be a 2 way thing!

PECS if he believes in reaching out and knowing one of his MP’s is suffering racist abuse and threats of violence it surely was his place to arrange a meeting with Luciana to discuss these threats and reassure her ?

When baroness Shami delivered her findings into anti semitism in the party, Ruth Smeeth was verbally attacked by a member of momentum, she left the room distressed , Corbyn ignored it and after the meeting greeted her abuser.

Was this reaching out ?

One of the biggest problems with Luciana Berger is that she has always been regarded by the local people as an MP who was parachuted in to a safe Labour seat. Lots of local people saying she shouldn't have been.
Mycatisahacker Nigel Farage- true to what he believes? And principled??? Is there more than one???

‘Trisher* are you saying it is her constituents who have threatened and verbally abused her because she was ‘parachuted in’ ! and the fact she is a Jew has nothing to do with the anti semetic attacks ?

I was so wrong.

3 conservative MP’s have resigned from their party and joined the Independent Group

Heidi Allen. Anna Soubry. Sarah Wollaston

Berger is not that popular with her constituents because she was seen as a " career" politician shipped in to a safe labour seat. Maybe they had a preferred candidate?
Any anti Semitism must be roundly condemed however when J C has spoken out certain sections of the press merely ridicule him.
There is a big history of JC opposing anti Semitism and all forms of racism.

The issue is still the political issue of Zionism and the conflation of a political ideal with a religion. There are big divisions within the Jewish communities too as in any community Jewish people span the political spectrum.

There was a person on TV the other evening being told, by a non Jew, that he was basically the wrong kind of Jew ( i.e. not a Zionist) so his opinion did not count. Nobody defended him either!

Exactly PECS

What I cannot bare is liars ,career politicians and hypocrites.

Oh look whose left the Tories????

No tricher he has always said what he believes and stuck to his principals throughout ridicule and hate.

i don’t agree with him can I add but I respect people, especially politicians, who stick to their principals and beliefs Within the law.