Breakaway Labour MP’s

Corbyn is incompetent and couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery
Yes, that, trisher

He's not competent enough to be dangerous but there are others around him who may be.

She is still an MP

I read they are being funded by a group called Gemini A.backed bu funds from an offshore account .There is a list of the names on the post but I wont say until I'm sure its true

I will not be cowed by middle England Tory supporters or Farage fans.
Farage is a dangerous man too and I don't vote Tory.

Gemini A is a company formed in Jan by Gavin Shuker. It owns and administers the Independent group website

Just heard Anna Soubry on R4. Her complaint about the Conservative Party being run by a cabal of hard line Brexiteers had destroyed the party as she knew it is very similar to Annies reaason for leaving Labour.

Seems both main political parties are in disarray and they all need T B to come back.. he epitomised centrist policy!

I still think a left of centre Labour government is best.


^ the NHS worked splendidly^
you didn't live in Stafford, I take it, Mycat!

The war in iraq was a disaster. I was one of many who campaigned and marched against it. It understandably dominates any discussion on the Blair/brown government.

I’m with posters who refer to the good things that labour government did. Sure start centres, investment in education, primary schools that changed beyond recognition, newly built community schools that incorporated family centres, midwives, Health visitors and libraries. Parents in the very deprived former mining area where one such community school was. Built expressed feelings that they mattered, they had pride in that school, got involved.
I despair when I hear Labour supporters why can only critcise and use the term Blairite as a form of abuse.

It understandably dominates any discussion on the Blair/brown government.

It certainly does and overshadows much of what was done.

What went on at Stafford Hospital is unforgiveable too.

I still think a left of centre Labour government is best.
I was not disagreeing with that, btw, just that I do not think that McDonnell et al are left of centre.
There may be many Labour MPs who agree with that sentiment.

Iam I too marched, with huge numbers of others to oppose the Iraq war, it has been argued that his decision did create the increase in support for political Islam and accelerated the situation across the Muslim world.

I agree with much of your post re Blair and his legacy but by the end of his term he was not left of centre but spot on centre!

PECS , I agree one of the legacies of the U.K. joining Bush 2s invasion of Iraq has been the growth of terrorism and the destabilisation of the Middle East. It’s one of those times when there’s no satisfaction in saying “but we said that would happen”
Blair may have been spot on centre but, I still believe better that than years of Tory misrule.

If we could edit, I’d add to my post that when I last canvassed for Labour, the consensus in former labour areas was “not while yon mons leader”. I left the party but friends and family still active tell me that hasn’t changed on the doorsteps, Jeremy is not popular.

Corbyn and Co are not left of centre they are the extreme far left

George Galloway is already spouting in the media, seems anti semetism claims are all lies , he wants back in the party

This will make the far left happy, get shot of Luciana Berger
And bring back georgous George

The breakaway bunch, including three Tories, is now being referred to as the Tiggers (Patrick Kidd). Perhaps we can look forward to much political bouncing.

The media would love a new party now, tough on them

She (Ryan)went out of her way, at a crucial time, to send letters to her constituents which undermined Corbyn. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but to do such a thing just before an election was, I think, really out of order.

I agree Eloethan.
I have at work been part of teams in which one or two colleagues tried to undermine the leader. If you are to have disagreements, by my book you have them out in the open and you don't sneakily go behind peoples back sowing seeds of discontent, Corbyn might not be everyone's idea of the best leader for the Labour party, but the fact remains that he is, and he cannot lead it well if the knives are out. Internal disputes happen but they should remain internal.

No surprises that Soubry, Allen and Wollaston have joined the Remainer party either. (It is a party for Remainers. The irony of calling themselves 'independent' must have escaped them, as they haven't fought for an independent UK. They also want a second referendum but are coy about going to the polls again regarding their seats. I have no time for them at all.)

The Tory three have undermined May at every turn. Again, she may not be everyone's cup of tea but traitorous MPs out to split their own party need to ask themselves why they didn't break away or resign their seats long ago rather than defy the party line.

Both Labour and Conservatives have said they will honour the result of the referendum.

This 'new' party is pro Brussels and may well be sponsored by Blair, Branson, Soros - big businesses providing funding, and as as mentioned yesterday, maybe Israel as well.. That may be Labour paranoia but it's an interesting theory.

My sincere hope is that the breakaway MPs have dug their own political graves.

It is not a party

(L Berger) she has always been regarded by the local people as an MP who was parachuted in to a safe Labour seat.

Yes, was reading about her yesterday. She is southern, and privately educated.

I nearly threw up this morning listening to former Conservative Heidi Allen go on (as she joined the Remainer Party) about "how much she LOVED her constituents"

She wants them to love her back presumably when there is a by-election.

If Luciana’s constituents disapproved of her , why did they vote for her

Southern and privately educated? ?

because Annie in GE people usually vote for the party not the person.. otherwise parties of all colours would not drop in up & coming outside candidates!

Seems both main political parties are in disarray

They are, without doubt, but it is the dummy-spitting Remainers who have caused waves by defying their leadership at every turn. Most political commentators are saying that the anti-semitism within Labour has been a very convenient coat-peg on which Europhile Remainer MPs can hang their hats.

Make no mistake, this is a pro Brussels, pro EU group and as I mentioned yesterday, Blair is likely to come along shortly to bolster it or at least endorse it.

Day6 maybe Israel as well ?

A labour MP said similar yesterday and HQ demanded she made a full apology . Think there was a fear of being sued .

why did they vote for her

As mentioned, she was dropped into a very safe Labour seat. She couldn't lose. Not all constituents vote for a person, many vote for a party.

Baggs not sure that title will help their political careers! I quite like Tigger's unbound energy and enthusiasm for anything and everything as long as he has friends!

Yes, the Israel connection to the new group was mentioned in a couple of reports yesterday. Like I said, Labour paranoia maybe?