LGBT protest at school

But if the teacher, by using this particular book in the series, is signalling to the child that it's ok to be lesbian/gay/whatever, but the parents at home, because of their religion can't go along with this, what then? It could create a really bad divide between parents and school, especially if the child takes the book home. Not good surely?

I think it might be best to leave this bit of pastoral care out of the curriculum in the case of muslims.

Utilitarianism falls down in the case of Brexit and issues like this. An action is right if it tends to promote happiness and wrong if it tends to promote the reverse of happiness.

Compelling people to share a belief via disingenuous stealth, rather than persuading is in my opinion at the root of queering the nation because the majority will not accept it when they understand what it is.

I agree Gonegirl

Would that be legal though gonegirl I mean I see your pragmatic approach that it’s better to keep those kids in mainstream schools.

Diverse discussions should be for 6th formers, not infants/primary schoolchildren.
Blimey, some kids don't even know how/where fruit and veg are grown !

Well, the government need to make it legal. Give it a bit more thought.

Oh Lordy, I am lost at the notion of using queer as a verb. Never mind queering a nation.

Leave children , at least in the earlier stages of primary education alone. Let them run around, play in mud, invent, create.

Surely if you don't like the law of the land you should campaign against it not at the person who is implementing said law?

It gives a new slant on the " now't so queer as folk " phrase !

Here is a breakdown of the rights of the child violations

www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/CRIA-Toolkitweb.pdf

EllanVannin wrote:

"Diverse discussions should be for 6th formers, not infants/primary schoolchildren.
Blimey, some kids don't even know how/where fruit and veg are grown !"

But where fruit and veg are grown is not as important as being kind to all your little friends.

Very true Alexa

I think a lot of misunderstandings going on about what is planned to teach the primary kids..
The primary schools are only going to say that all people are equal in our culture and it is ok to have 2 dads or 2 mums or whatever.
That us why it is titled No Outsiders,
That is an important message to get across when children are young.
There are people who are very down on our more liberal culture and this has to be nipped in the bud.
Otherwise they will continue to fight against our values.
Also other religions can be bigoted, so it is good to teach kids while they are young to not be judgemental.

The school cannot back down on this it is too important. Otherwise bigotry wins.

"I think it might be best to leave this bit of pastoral care out of the curriculum in the case of muslims"

Why on earth should this bit be left out for muslims? They need it to know about acceptance.
The attitude behind the sex gangs who groomed and abused young white girls was that they teach their boys that a white girl is fair game...I know exactly what they teach from direct experience that I cannot go into here.
But it is a serious difficulty.
If the young kids go home and there is conflict with their parents then too bad.....it is time to learn to accept our culture is liberal and learn to adapt or leave.

You don't think the child is likely to ask why has such-and-such got two dads. And then, bearing in mind how much children know about where babies come from at a quite young age these days (), comes the question, "how can [same child] have two dads? How does that work?

Nah.Not likely. They are all totally little innocents aren't they.

"just teach kids to be kind"

yes yes and yes

The thing is if you totally alienate the parents you risk them taking their kids out of mainstream school permanently and if they are then put into echo chambers you May raise a new generation of very bigoted adults?

We are where we are and we can’t hoik kids into care because their parents don’t accept homosexuality etc.

So surely we have to be pragmatic?

We allowed this multiculturalism into our country and we now have to deal with it on s practical basis.

The only Alternative is making lawyers very rich by picking over the human rights acts!

So right to practise religious beliefs verses the rights of the LGBTQ people.

As if we didn’t see this coming!

It doesn't matter if the child asks more questions. Just say that people can be different.
And that people can love each other , that love is the important part.

I wouldn't go into explicit sex instruction to a five year old so it is possible to just say that is how some people are.
By the time the child is ready for sex education you can go into details.....but a lot of children may already know of gay and lesbian parents.

And yes again teach kids and grandchildren to be kind! That’s all that matters.

Maybe it’s ok to not think homosexuality is ok?? For you? As long as you accept it’s ok for others?

I get that doesn’t help gay kids from religious families but what else can we do?

And what does the teacher say when the little muslim kid says "my mum/dad says it's not right. People shouldn't do that."?

For heaven's sake, let the parents have whatever religious views they want to have. Whether we agree with them or not.

Just leave the subject out at this school, with its 98% muslim children.

Is it acceptable to tell a 6 year old, ‘your parents are wrong’?

Mycat "teach your children to be kind" - and tolerant. That's the root of it.
Mine sometimes tell me off for a few racial prejudices that I have. Hangover from war years etc.

Fennel

I shrudder to think what my parents said in the 70s and I thought the P word was completely normal.

Silly as it sounds my parents actually were kind just products of their generation as was I

My dds now 20 do tell me off sometimes if I say a word that’s not PC! Tbf I thought queer wasn’t ok but it’s been used in here!

but I think absolutely be kind is all really isn’t it!

This was an early concern from the parents.

Have you seen the rights of children link I posted?

It appears some are more equal than others according to Andrew Moffat and the others he worked with using half a million pounds of funding to develop queering the classroom lessons which is part of a wider strategy for queering the nation to believe that childhood, sexuality, biology etc are social constructs.