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Will the web being woven, hold?

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 08:18:05

Cummings game plan seems to be on course.

The tiny majority will be rendered a minority at a stroke by Cummings threat to take the whip away from any Tory rebels.

Johnson has then scapegoats to blame for his failure to deliver a brexit deal, and an excuse to go for a GE.

Labour will then fall in with the game plan by holding a VONC and a GE looks a distinct possibility sometime in Oct.
Johnson will fight it as the people v the elite who failed to deliver the democratic vote. (Bannon writ large)

The U.K. will then crash out on Nov 1st. No attempt is being made by Cummings to get a deal and in any case his contact finishes on Oct 31st.

M0nica Fri 06-Sept-19 17:35:12

Campbell wasn't a political advisor. He was the Director of Communications and previously TB's spokesman and press secretary.

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 17:40:53

He fulfilled the same function Monica ?

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sept-19 17:45:46

1emongrove, I do not believe that Alastair Campbell ever had it alleged against him that he stalked the corridors of Parliament in a drunken state verbally threatening MPs with their positions in the party and Constituency.

It is also alledged that the foregoing is carried out with extream verbal expletives and very personal insults.

Do you support that kind of behaviour Lemongrove?

varian Fri 06-Sept-19 17:51:19

Alistair Campbell was Tony'Blair's right hand man, but he was an effective sounding board and advisor who helped TB keep on such a popular path that he kept being re-elected and remained in power for thirteen years, winning three elections.

We don't know what advice AC gave TB about the Iraq war, which was his ultimate undoing. The Liberal Democrats did not vote for it but the Tories did. It then gave the Tories the opportunity to cash in in 2010.

We cannot compare AC's career as an advisor and strategist to Dominic Cummings who has, we are told, a temporary contract to work for BJ until 31st October and has so far done more than anyone to ensure that BJ is likely not to last much longer.

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 17:51:35

?
Campbell was renowned for his aggressive behaviour and his expletives.
He may, or may not have downed a few drinks.

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 17:52:47

I suggest that you watch The Thick Of It, based on Campbell.

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sept-19 17:53:19

Apologies Lemongrove, I forgot to paste link in my above post to you.

Link begins here.
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-cummings-stank-of-booze-in-jeremy-corbyn-standoff-a4228871.html

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 17:54:29

I take it you are copying an article yet again Varian without actually saying so....certainly sounds like it.

varian Fri 06-Sept-19 17:59:56

Why lemon? Do you think I cannot compose a post? Have you never had the pleasure of reading my own posts?

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 18:01:19

Read it now Grandad 43
Cummings bumped into Corbyn ( not literally it seems) in Portcullis House and said ‘come on Jeremy, how about an election what are you afraid of’
Horrified aides bundled Corbyn away.
Cat Smith on the shadow cabinet alleges he stank of booze.
What a truly terrifying situation.....not.

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 18:02:21

It’s the use of ‘we’ a few times, and you often copy articles on GN I believe?

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sept-19 18:02:33

lemongrove Quote [I suggest that you watch The Thick Of It, based on Campbell.] End Quote.

lemongrove, The Thick Of It was a fiction series created for public entertainment which was supposedly loosely based on Downing street life.

What has come to light in regard to Cummings is today's real life.

I do not think you do yourself justice in comparing the two.

varian Fri 06-Sept-19 18:04:44

lemon I do not use "We" in the sense of the royal "We" or in the sense of a political party or scholarly group of researches or analysts.

I use "We" to mean fellow Gransnetters.

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 18:05:46

I keep reading posts on GN that turn out to be from newspapers or other social media sources, so it’s good to be sure, as many never say what their source was.

However, as your post mentions the Lib Dems I realise it’s your own comment.

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 18:07:09

I think it was more than ‘loosely’ based Grandad43

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 18:13:15

Am sure that Campbell was no worse than Cummings, and that Cummings is no worse than Campbell.
Probably both awful to work with and be around professionally.
Stop excusing Campbell simply because he was a member of the LP. I don’t excuse Cummings, but then I don’t expect that somebody in that job should be Mary Poppins.

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sept-19 18:15:07

Lemongrove, so you do support political aids roaming the corridors of the Parliamentary Estate in a drunken condition abusing others who do not agree with their views.

The above has been commented on by a number of Tory MPs in support of the Jeremy Corbyn incident.

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 18:41:26

Support drunken aides roaming the corridors? ?
They can find their own supports.

Now, to be serious, where have I said that I support ‘drunken
Aids’ etc?
For a start though, the drunken bit is ‘alleged’. I think you would have had to have been there and be non partisan to gauge what really happened.If he had yelled into Corbyn’s face that would be bad, but your link to the newspaper actually used the word ‘said’ by Cummings to Corbyn.Not yelled or screamed.
Cat Smith is hardly non partisan, is she?
I make a point of not getting steamed up by accounts of
happenings that I can’t actually see or are reported by totally reliable witnesses with no axe to grind.

MaizieD Fri 06-Sept-19 18:44:18

Glass of red wine in his hand and smelling of drink? Of course he wasn't drunk, lemon. Just having a postprandial snifter...

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 18:45:18

As I am doing myself at this very moment MaizieD wine

MaizieD Fri 06-Sept-19 18:53:33

Seems to have led to a bit of confusion about your DOB, lemon grin

GrannyGravy13 Fri 06-Sept-19 18:53:57

Cheers Lemongrove these political threads have driven me to drink this evening ?

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sept-19 18:54:27

Lemongrove, similar reports in regard to Cummings behaviour have also come from Conservative MPs, especially those that Cummings dictated should be removed from their parliamentary and Constituency positions.

However, at the end of a very long working two weeks my wife and myself are about to you you in a glass of "something substantive." ?

Pantglas1 Fri 06-Sept-19 18:56:53

I also will be enjoying a libation or two now we’re at the end of this ‘interesting’ week.....

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 19:05:16

MaizieD the only person confused about my date of birth is you.
Cheers to everyone who now has a glass of something in their hand.....the sun is not only over the yard arm but will be shortly setting.