Well that’s it. We’re not leaving the EU. The people in charge won’t allow it.

Taking No Deal off the table restricts our negotiating hand. Depressing to think Boris will now have to try like Theresa the Appeaser for a deal. Any deal. We can’t walk away.

That’s not negotiating.

It’s pleading!!

Reece Mog's contempt towards his own party colleagues seems to have contributed to so many of them deciding to vote against Johnson.
I admire them for standing by their principles. It's what we pay them for , to do what they believe to be right for the country. I'm staggered that Johnson is prepared to lose 20 MP's including Ken Clarke , the father of the house!

I thought the debate yesterday was great and Boris just bumbled his way through his speech. JC on the other hand gave a great speech, clear and concise. MPs on all sides are angry with the lies from Boris, they just keep coming He just seems to have no plan but to leave whatever on the 31st and doesn't seem to care about the harm he will cause.

The referendum was advisory and based on lies and fear and
I voted to remain BUT I will accept we might leave but it has to be with a deal and that is worth waiting for, a deal that allows us to continue to trade with EU and lets us leave on good terms with the EU

I am going on holiday tomorrow, Holland, but when I come back I will be joining in any demonstrations and I have my banner ready.

There is a cleansing going on iam they are getting rid of the moderates. They will be replaced by nationalists.

I’m really fed up with this talk of a "deal". It's not a trade deal, it's a withdrawal agreement keeping us tied to EU rules. The PM should reject it and instead propose the continuation of zero tariffs on goods - a simple temporary Free Trade Agreement, to apply until a fuller long term FTA can be
ratified.

A draft (complying with GATT rules) has already been prepared by Dr Lorand Bartels of Cambridge University. (See "Lawyers for Britain" website)

Boris should make a pact with the Brexit Party party to join together for a GE with this aim.

I rest my case.

We are not pleading to leave, we joined a club with rules & regulations, we can’t flounce off & expect to keep all the goodies.

lemon if we shouldn’t keep harking back to lies told in the referendum campaign don’t keep harking back to the will of the people and 17.4 m soundbites which are inaccurate now. I would have accepted a Norway style deal if that’s what May had said from the outset but no she was bullied by the hardliners. Remember BJ himself voted against the government twice, once for, so obviously game playing. Hopefully those who think he is their saviour may wake up to his continuous lies , e.g, “negotiations are going well” when there have been NO negotiations!!

A General Election in October could lead to numerous Brexit Party MPs being elected, there could be no overall majority.

This sorry "soap opera" will be dragged out for the duration of the next parliament, to the detriment of the UK!!

Ooh, the prospect of another extension ‘to talk and reject’.

Obviously 3 years wasn’t long enough ....

I can’t wait.
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The Undemocratic traitor remainers might have won a battle but they haven't won the war.

Liar Corbyn who has been asking for a General election for months now doesn't want one, he's a coward he's shown his true colours he doesn't keep his word. He knows he will be wiped out in the North and the Midlands.

Brexit is not going away we will Leave the EU.

This is the problem!!!

Nigel Farage and The Brexit Party will stand with Boris and the Conservatives if they go for a no deal brexit.

So all you Remainers you might think you have won today but democracy will prevail and we will leave the EU.

Corbyn doesn’t want the elephant trap Cummings is trying to set. It’s all a pantomime.

Yes because he is running scared, Corbyn's a lying coward who knows the Labour party will be wiped out.

CORBYN'S A HYPROCRITE

I was surprised just how decent a deal May's government achieved. If it had not been for the Tory hard line right led by Johnson and Rees -.Hogg we would have left the EU in March and be in the process of negotiating our long term trading relationships as well as negotiating and ratifying treaties with other nations.

Now instead we are saddled with this dangerous populist hard right government lead by man who is known around the world as an unreliable, lazy liar. What other national government would be so stupid as to tie their nations future, even in part, by negotiating a trading treaty with us, other than one's who are also lead by an equally unreliable and lying leader.

I congratulate and thank all of the MPs that voted for parliament to control the order paper. I especially want to thank those conservative MPs for their courage and Mr Speaker for his valiant defense of parliament in the face of an executive determined to avoid parliamentary oversight.

'democracy' seems to mean whatever anyone wants it to mean at the moment (hands up who thinks that suspending Parliament to avoid scrutiny is 'democratic'?).
The Brexit issue was an internal one within the Conservative party. No one else was clamouring to leave.
TM.s deal was rejected because it was worse than the status quo for so many sectors of the economy. The Prime Minister has not put forward any basis for a new deal, or have I missed something. Mr R-M and supporters say that 'just' removing the backstop would not be enough. How 'democratic' is that?

One of the reasons we are in this mess (apart from Cameron being an idiot) is because of the way the referendum and its campaign were conducted. Had there been proper objective information and debate, and proper parameters for the turnout and margin, and clarity over whether the referendum result was advisory or binding, then the matter would be completely clear.

As it was we had a circus: misinformation, lies and publicity stunts from both "sides" and in the end a tiny margin - which is why the concept of the referendum being the will of the people is fatally flawed - hence the current mess.

BJ's lies are such an intrinsic part of him that no-one can believe anything he says.
I'd quote a few of them but simply don't have time to write such a lengthy post.
Why on earth would anyone believe that he wouldn't simply change the date set for a GE to one that suits his purpose?
Totally untrustworthy!
Even some of those who have accepted his no-mandate position as PM are now seriously questioning his integrity and his ability to control events.

You're so right Gillybob. I too voted Remain and am fuming inside that Outers hadn't done their homework and thought deeply about the impact it would have on us.

BJ is nothing but a megalomaniac whose so-called speeches make no sense whatsoever, along with his right-hand man DC, the biggest a**e in government.

Think it’s time to move down under to get away from all these self serving clowns! ? this country is a joke!

Basically the people voted to leave. They did not vote to 'leave with a deal'.

Parliament and the city are mostly Remainers who won't accept the democratic vote and are determined to stop the process, in effect ignoring the will of the people. Hence Project Fear.

Implementing Brexit is democracy so Remainers are therefore traitors to democracy.

This is complicated by the fact that May's deal wasn't Brexit which is why it failed.

If we don't leave on 31st Oct then all hell will break loose and I'm sure the Brexit Party will get involved.

So remainers are happy to:
Submit tax remittences to the organisation to prop it up UK is a net contributor. Whilst UK received funding for regeneration of areas where industry had declined due to the opening of cheap labour opportunities in Eastern Europe, this funding is in continuous decline. Think about all of the kids in the 80s who had no apprenticeship or job to go to. This before the majority were directed to university or call centres.
Happy to ensured that businesses continue to make vast profits at the expense of the working class throughout Europe. It cannot be denied that large swathes of working class throughout Europe are very unhappy. Of course business will predict doom and gloom if their money making model is threatened.
Happy to ensure our non academic youth do not get the skills education they need because its cheaper to import an already skilled person from EU. Is this good for our grandchildren?
Happy to continue to moan about the rough sleepers and inability to get a drs appointment because the mass influx of people has resulted in an infrastructure overload.
If this makes you happy..okay.

Ellanvannin I totally agree with your post, especially the bit about BJ speeches making no sense, he was out of his depth yesterday and he just mumbled words and scratched his nits.

Deep down I firmly believe that he will not get his way and we might not even leave.

Firecracker, you talk b.......t, you just churn out insults and shout.

There is no "Labour Party" as I know it . All we have is a half wit weasel of a leader who's ar*e must be covered in splinters . His sole aim is to become PM by whatever means.

I can just imagine his gloating little egg soaked beardy smile standing on the steps of No. 10 and it gives me the creeps !

He cannot have and does not have an opinion of his own on Brexit or anything else for that matter. His opinion is whatever Len tells him it is !

I am a lifelong LP voter but could not bring myself to vote Labour while he is leader.

Apologies for going off on one....