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Well that’s it. We’re not leaving the EU. The people in charge won’t allow it.

(184 Posts)
Kandinsky Wed 04-Sept-19 07:07:26

What the ‘people’ want counts for nothing.

I hope all the traitors & enemies of the people are happy. angry

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 08:19:13

Can anyone enlighten me as what type of subsidies MPs can receive from the EU? It is said that Antionette Sandbach receives EU subsidies, I’m interested to know why/what for?

Firecracker123 Thu 05-Sept-19 08:28:01

Google it.
Farm Subsidies from the EU Antoinette Sandbach and she's not the only one no wonder they don't want to leave the EU, hyprocrites the lot of them.

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 08:32:55

Thank you Firecracker, I’ll do that.

You are right, they don’t want to leave the EU. These subsidies that many/some of our MPs are receiving are never mentioned by the remain contingent whilst any monies JRM may make is regularly brought up. Double standards?

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 08:36:43

Oh my Lord, it’s massive! In The Guardian too. Many MPs and Lords receiving farm subsidies. Thank you for the information Firecracker.

Firecracker123 Thu 05-Sept-19 08:37:17

Very true Maddy double standards it makes my blood boil I feel so angry.

lemongrove Thu 05-Sept-19 08:42:30

It would be interesting to see which MPs who are doing all they can to avoid Brexit are earning money from the EU!

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 08:49:24

What subsidies they are receiving (and you need to get some of your facts right ). they pale into insignificance when looking at the way people like Mogg are betting on sterling shorting. Every time Johnson stands up at the moment Mogg must see money before his eyes.

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 08:51:36

Apparently Michael Heseltine is receiving £90,000 a year in EU farming subsidies. No wonder he doesn’t want to leave. I wouldn’t want to leave if I was receiving £90,000 a year from the EU.
And we are repeatedly told by remainers that the EU protects the poor gringrin

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 08:52:13

Oh the old Mogg argument again grin

crystaltipps Thu 05-Sept-19 08:52:56

What money are MPs “earning” from the EU.? What money are some MPs “earning” from big business? What money are MPs “earning” from the decline in sterling and putting their money in Euros? Let’s see the whole picture.

Firecracker123 Thu 05-Sept-19 08:55:37

Yes and they tell us leavers we didn't know what we were voting for, it's the hoodwinked Remainers who didn't know what they were voted for, they were fooled by the EU ?

Firecracker123 Thu 05-Sept-19 09:00:23

Fooled by the money grabbing Remainer MPs.

Blinko Thu 05-Sept-19 09:05:00

Wouldn't any farming subsidy be for their constituents, though? I hadn't heard that individuals could benefit from it... Oh, if they own a farm. I see.

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 09:05:19

Apparently about 58 MPs and Members of the House of Lords are earning money from the EU through farming subsidies. And they don’t want us to leave, I wonder why?

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 09:06:05

Yes Blinko, it’s because they are land owners.

growstuff Thu 05-Sept-19 09:06:21

Have a read of this article by Peter Oborne, the former Telegraph and Daily Mail columnist, who voted to leave...

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/

(And if you have ten minutes, watch the film he made about the people who live on the Irish border and which I posted on the Irish thread.)

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 09:06:46

It’s money from the much maligned CAP budget.

MaizieD Thu 05-Sept-19 09:07:47

I truly don't understand why those of you who want to leave are not in favor of doing it with intelligent planning and thoughtful consideration of those affected.

Thank you gmarie. It's good to have a judgement from someone on the outside of the debate. Too much emotion flying around in the UK for anyone to be truly objective.

Luckygirl Thu 05-Sept-19 09:08:45

The people in charge won’t allow it - I wonder who these people are.

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 09:09:28

Well no doubt the 58 beneficiaries of money from the CAP budget will certainly want us to swallow our pride. If I was being paid by the EU, I’d want us to swallow our pride.

MaizieD Thu 05-Sept-19 09:11:38

All this indignation about farm subsidies hmm.

I thought you Leavers adored rich people; ReesMogg, Johnson, Farage....

Amagran Thu 05-Sept-19 09:11:45

Traitors, enemies

I couldn't agree more Riverwalk. Until Trump started using this sort of inflammatory language and it started spilling over into the UK since 2016, it was never used so freely in the context of our own political debate. It used to be possible to hold opposing views, in and out of Parliament, and for those views to be respected, though still argued down, without using the sort of language which can so easily erode and undermine democracy.

maddyone Thu 05-Sept-19 09:28:00

And all the indignation, so freely expressed over a good period of time, over rich people eg JRM who have either earned or inherited their money. The double standards are astounding.

gmarie Thu 05-Sept-19 09:28:19

Thank you, MaizieD flowers and my apologies to Amagran blush and the rest of you for the lowered standard of discourse that our president has unleashed upon the world. angry

Chestnut Thu 05-Sept-19 09:50:06

It would be interesting to see which MPs who are doing all they can to avoid Brexit are earning money from the EU!

The big earners in government and the city are all keen to stop Brexit because it will affect their pockets. They feign concern for the workers who may lose their jobs but it's really all about their own incomes.