For brexiters only please.

Sorry - my previous post wasn't very clear. This makes more sense.

By constituency:
406-Leave,
242-Remain

Why the fear of another vote Joelsnan ? If "the people" want to leave then that vote will easily win, and then the remain contingent will have lost their biggest claim that the country has changed its mind. I've copied this humorous comment from another forum, it's the type of argument made by leavers all the time.

We can't have another GE until 2022, we all knew what we were voting for, a 5 year term for our winning MP. A 5 year term we were promised and that's what we want and now we're not getting it. To have another GE now betrays 32 million voters who expected a 5 year term, the traitors. So much for promises, democracy is dead, I'm not voting for any party again. No voters will change their votes, the same MPs will win again and the manifestos will stay the same. No point in voting they won't give us a 5 year term.

Great idea, janipet. I am sure people on both sides of the argument have changed their minds.

However, I do hope that if Remain wins we got for best of three?

Got to be fair.

So you're agreeing that those MPs whose constituents voted remain must vote against any type of Brexit. At least that's consistent. What if an MP's constituents have made it clear they only voted for the Brexit that was going to give us a better deal than we currently have? You know the easiest deal in history, the one where the club gave the non-member far better terms than the members.

Jacob R-M on LBC has said he would never support a second referendum because the original Leave vote would be overturned and that would cause problems!

Oopsminty I'm nobody's "pet" it's "pat". That aside any club that wants to change its constitution normally sets rules that a certain percentage of members must vote, and of those that vote a certain winning margin must be obtained. If those criteria are not met, it stays with the status quo. For something as momentous as this change for a country, there should have been the same criteria. That a single vote could have decided this issue is madness.

This is from Alliance of British Entrepreneurs
“French pharmaceutical company Sanofi has just spent £37 million on a new HQ in Reading and is expanding its workforce”

Will not bother to post on the “remainer thread”

Sorry, jani. Eyes are failing me.

I agree, actually.

But I can;t see how a second vote will help. Or a 'people's vote'. There will be more than a few peeved folk.

And what on earth would happen if Leave won again?

Another 3 years of this nonsense?

You know, I can actually see that happen

I'll try again!

My family and I voted leave, but as soon as you put your head above the parapet, the doom-mongers try to shoot you down

It doesn't help that our parliamentarians, aided and abetted by biased Bercow insist on trying to insist that their version of 'democracy' is right.

It isn't!

Hopefully our PM will get his bill through parliament, without all the meaningless 'amendments' remoaners insist are necessary.

janipat
I am not in the slightest bit frightened of another vote. What I am frightened of is the effect that ignoring what was supposed to be a once in a lifetime referendum endorsed by just about all politicians at the time and confirmed by the enactment of A50 will have on our children's future.
I thought we lived in a true democratic society. I have voted since I was 18, have no political allegiance and have often been disappointed when the party I thought most closely represented my beliefs lost. I, and everyone else accepted the outcome, we did not say we didn't know what we were voting for, or all the other memes vocalised by remain voters.
Is it going to be a country where he who shouts loudest now gets to dictate to the rest, an extreme version of the PC brigade. It seems dangerous to me.

Good News GrannyGravy13 ??

Joelsnan Do you deny that it was said it would be the easiest deal in history, that we'd get a better deal out than we had while in? Did you hear a single leave campaigner say it's going to be tough coming to an agreement, and obviously we will lose the benefits of being in the club? You may have been thinking all along that we'd finish up worse off, at least in the beginning, but I doubt that applies to every leave voter. Why bother with general elections, after all if people change their minds once they know the full facts, that's just tough luck. Vote once, vote for all time. Except we don't think like that do we? At least we get to reverse bad decisions about government, this decision cannot be reversed no matter how much we want to.

Very revealing that remainers have inundated this site demanding to be heard but only one brexiter has commented on the remainers only site!

Not only am I not going to comment on ‘their’ thread I’m not even going to read it!

I’ve decided to come back here aprilrose and fellow Leavers ... let’s see if they can be as courteous to this thread as we are to theirs!

I doubt it somehow. They are more cross than we are. I think that’s because they now that their hope of reversing Brexit is slipping away.

Don't worry, I am not demanding that you or anyone else read this, Pantglas2. Close your eyes......Now!

A democracy is not a democracy if you are not allowed to changed your mind.

No need for anyone on this page to close their eyes as it was a quote from a brexiteer [so it must be true....]….

I’m off.

This thread is never going to fulfill its aspirations, sadly.

Bit like Brexit then....….

Janipat
Of course I heard the propaganda from both sides. The sunny uplands from the Leavers and the pits of gloom from the remainers, but I have been following events in the EU since the Maastricht treaty was signed and it was all those years of observing that formed my decision. We were supposed to have had a referendum on accepting that and then it was stopped.
Anyone who has divorced knows that it is often a painful, costly and often prolonged affair. Many have doubts and anxieties along the way. Few regret the final outcome.

Amagran
A democracy is not a democracy if you are not allowed to changed your mind

Very true, however upholding the tenets of a truly democratic society surely should be more important than the few who change their mind otherwise Anarchy will prevail.

If you asked your family what they wanted for tea and they said a roast, would you give them salad because its what you want?

What if the roast wasn't actually available but you offered it to them in the hope that they'd ask for salad? Or would you then give them something that looked a bit like a roast but wasn't really a roast.

joelsnan
Same here RE the Maarstrict treaty. I knew then where it would eventually take us.
All I'm keeping my eye on at the moment is the German economy, it's not looking good.

Thank God we never joined the Euro! That was one of my main reasons for voting leave, because if we stay in the EU we will eventually adopt the Euro. Why would we ever want to tie our economy to economies of countries most of which are nowhere near as successful and diverse as ours? Yet at the same time, we would be expected to bail them out when they were struggling, i.e. Greece, Spain et al. Absolutely bonkers to do so.

Why do you think that Opal? The EU has stated categorically that the UK won't have to join the Euro.