Will the fat lady sing?

maddyone if you are in contact with Day6 please give her my regards, she is truly missed.

I have no doubt that given time and like so many Day6 will reappear on this forum under a different name and I will be the first to welcome that

I had many debating clashes with day6 and always respected her forthright views. However, if any person outputs very strong forthright views, they must accept that others will respond in the same manner.

That is the essence of any discussion and debate.

I echo Opal's reasons for leaving. I don't like the idea of an European Army either. Or the way nurses and carers from the rest of the world loose out when the want to work here. My father's wonderful Fijian carers went home because they lost their jobs to East European agency workers who weren't nearly as good. I could go on, but I've said all this before and more and been belittled and put down so shut up. I will now retreat to following threads and not having the temerity to voice an opinion.

I deeply regret the news that Day6 has left. Hopefully she'll return soon.

GrannyGravy, sadly I’m not in contact with Day6. We often communicated by PM and certainly didn’t only discuss Brexit, in fact we only mentioned it in passing. We shared information about our families and holidays. We talked about this and that. I really regret not swopping email addresses or mobile numbers now. There didn’t seem to be a need and now it’s too late. We were both teachers and we seemed to have a lot in common. She mentioned making ‘nice friends’ on Gransnet and I felt we were developing a friendship. Anyway, she’s gone now, maybe she thought a clean break would be best for her. I know she was very unhappy about certain things that had been said to her. I hoped that it might just make us all a bit more considerate of each other’s feelings, but the belligerent response from one poster put paid to that idea.
Sometimes I am surprised by the vitriol that is expressed on Gransnet, usually on Political/News threads. I take heart from the absolute care and kindness I have received from some Gransnetters when I have faced, and posted about terribly difficult personal circumstances.

Opal, thanks. I understand your points.

As for all this hand wringing and twaddle about being bullied, isn't that what HQ monitor?

Well

The fat lady was set and ready to sing, when the director stepped in and said “you need more rehearsing”

Off she flounced in a sulk.

Yesterday.

The second reading of the WAB was voted through by 30 votes.
Parliament was then expected by Johnson for his own nefarious means, and JRMs pompous announcement of parliamentary business, to rush through the most important piece of legislation for 70 years in 3 days flat.

Can’t be done they were told. The vote was lost by 14, more than was expected.

“Why not work with parliament and work out a proper and acceptable length of time” he was asked.

Cue

Epic toddler tantrum.

Johnson’s threat to pull the bill if they turned down the business programme was it materialised just that - an empty threat. As he said nothing before he flounced out of the chamber.

I suspect however he rushed back to Daddy Cummings for comfort.

The technical term apparently is that the bill is in “limbo” - in essence, nothing can be done in parliament without a business programme.

Johnson’s further threat is that no-deal preparations will be ramped up .

He sounds more and more like Trump every day.

JRMogg later stood up to sulkily announced that if they couldn’t play with their own toys they’d play with the Queens instead.

The Queen Speech is back for debate for the rest of the week.

Typical caring response again.

For whom do you think Whitewave should be caring?

Hopefully Mogg and Johnson Esq will be fortified by an extra dollop of nanny's nursery pudding and perhaps a little pig shagging or donning the old penguin suit.

There is no threat of a European Army. I'm a little weary of debunking this particular scaremongering myth.

There is absolutely no guarantee that carers from Fiji will find it easier to work in the UK after Brexit. Nfk If your father's carers had the correct visas, there is no way they could just have been replaced by people from any other country - the UK or anywhere else in the EU.

My worry is that by the end of 2020 if trade talks are not satisfactory we leave without a deal. That is the situation, as it stands, according to this new agreement. Could this be Johnson’s and Cummings etc intention? No deal by the back door! Just don’t trust Johnson to tell the truth about anything, let alone deal with the most important change in generations.

grapefruit What a crude and bitter post from you.

Apparently Labour is repaired to vote for an election as soon as the EU agree the extension.

Personally I can’t see what on Earth another election will achieve.

A political manifesto covers all areas, which completely muddles the result as almost certainly this will once again be an election on Brexit. And once again parties will claim erroneously that people voted for them because of their Brexit stance.

To my mind the only way is to clear the decks by having a confirmatory referendum that is legally binding.

lemongrove, what a predictable response from you.

It was a joke.

WWM2 .....you have moved on from supplying us with quotes from Uncle Tom Cobbley and all, to a sheet of bullet points informing us of ‘political doings’.Why? We are all perfectly capable of reading the morning’s political news for ourselves.

Am so pleased that the stalemate is Parliament is being resolved and hope things will continue smoothly now.?

I’m still not sure how disagreeing with someone and pointing out their spurious arguments is “ bullying”.

Another referendum is what we need and what hundreds of thousands marched for. Democracy my foot. A General Election will do nothing more than waste time and muddy the waters further. If Corbyn could be dragged away from the leadership Johnson would not be calling for a GE.

maddyoneI am so lucky that the GN members that I meet up with are so nice, we talk for hours.

Grapefruitpip not your finest hour with that smutty post!!!!

I wonder if the vitriol spewing out on the political threads is panicking as our exit from the EU draws ever closer.

The Labour Party had MPs swarming over the TV news this morning saying how much they want a GE now......if only.

Yes, I saw that GG13....haha, pretending they want a GE, but it fools nobody. They know they would lose if fought on a Brexit ticket.
There may not need to be an election now anyway, if a short extension is given.

Not the finest hour but reasonably amusing and quite clearly tongue in cheek ( not a pigs cheek) and a change from the snide stuff.

Oink Oink.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 22-Oct-19 18:28:16 then please explain why you won't explain? I know you 'don't have to' so perhaps you could explain why you come on these threads and don't want to answer an obvious question? Thanks.

Opal Tue 22-Oct-19 19:17:04 thank you, finally one who has enough belief to give me an answer. My response: I agree with your first point about less say but at least we have some say which imo is better than none. We will be forced to follow EU rules if we want to trade with them so it would be better to have some say over what such rules are.

Your second point: no, we don't have to join the Euro, we never have and have never been forced to. However if that were forced upon us at some distant future we could decide whether to stay or leave at that time.

Your third point is very debatable, we currently benefit from trade with the EU under current arrangements by a huge amount. Any future trade deal with any country will be negotiated under their terms and we will have far less buying power us UK only than we have as part of the EU. Canada has already stated this.

I would really appreciate it if you would answer the question I have asked rather a lot: please tell me 3 ways you and your family will be better off if we leave the EU? Thanks

I think quite of lot of people have voted to leave because of all the anti-EU propaganda, some of which is true. If they were to produce a balance sheet of what comes in as a member and what we lose if we leave they might well come to a different conclusion.

maddyone Tue 22-Oct-19 19:36:13 it is sad if a poster leaves because they don't like a thread but in reality that is what GN is about. Presumably the 'bullying' was in accordance with the guidelines? I haven't spoken to this poster but I am aware of others who, when challenged or disagreed with, turn the tables and become a 'victim' when the reality is that they simply didn't get the agreement they wanted.

I have to do it one page at a time as so many of you are on here far more than me!

NfkDumpling Tue 22-Oct-19 20:49:39 thank you for a response, it is appreciated. My reply:

We don't have to be part of a European Army but, if that were forced upon us in the future we could leave then. If we did I think it would be sad that we would lose the protection of our nearest neighbours when we need them most.

Please could you give me evidence that "nurses and carers from the rest of the world loose out when the want to work here." I really believed that we were short of both and would welcome suitably qualified people wherever they came from.

I am not 'belittling you, I really want the answers because if someone can prove me wrong I will change my views.

Are you able to answer my oft asked question 'can you give me 3 ways you and your family will be better off if we leave the EU? Thanks

Lovetopaint037 Wed 23-Oct-19 09:00:23 well said. I never manage to be so concise!

I just ignore all the demands for answers from posters like Nonnie after three years of discussing the subject, all some people want is to indulge in point scoring.
Do some reading up nonnie instead of badgering on here.
You won’t change your views, and you know it.

lemongrove Badgering, constantly asking the same questions and belittling those who choose not to answer could be called bullying.