And next it's Alex Salmond

Absolutely - no-one is disputing that there will always be men like that. However, placing the responsibility for that at the door of women by inferring that they are victims if they don’t fight back or deriding women who have taken a prominent politician to court or accusing brutally murdered young women of being foolish in the extreme shows how far we still have to go in challenging attitudes to violence against women and girls.

CONTEMPT OF COURT ACT 1981
I have reported this discussion to GN and asked for it to be removed.
It is an offence to publish anything that could be prejudicial while a case is sub judice.
The publisher and / or the individual poster could be liable.
These are offences of strict liability, intention is irrelevant.

A general discussion re women's experiences is ok, but no mention must be made of any case currently before the criminal courts, nor of any named accused person.

The title of this thread is not acceptable because it directs people to read prejudicial material.

When this thread started I asked HQ to put a warning on about sub judice - they weren’t interested. We should all care about a fair trial /, usually it’s the victims that suffer if a trial collapse / remember that aide of an MP who caused a rape trial to collapse and the poor victim had to go through it all again?

Who would be the right legal authorities in Scotland to report this thread to? I don’t know their legal system

There is nothing here which isn’t in the public domain on the mainstream media.

However if GNHQ believes it to be prejudicial then of course they should remove it.

I don’t think that’s the point

SirChenjin Do you not think that there might be a certain satisfaction for a woman when she drew attention to a man's behaviour by hitting him or shouting loudly at him? More in some ways than the tortuous and long winded legal process will give. It might also empower a woman and it certainly doesn't stop her taking legal action as well. I have not by the way said women are victims if they don't fight back, nor have I derided anyone.

I don’t speak for other women so I won’t comment on whether there might be a certain satisfaction for other women who choose to hit a man - it’s down to the individual. If a woman chooses to hit back or pursue him through the courts then I am not going to judge - she has every right to do what she believes is best, as I’ve already said.

You said “some might choose to do something more instant and stop being victims” and another poster derided some of the women in the AS case.

You have to larf don’t you?

Despite many other comments about a certain former First Minister and opinions as to his conduct on occasions it is my flipping (see what I did there) not to say flippant reference to kilts which gets deleted!
Happy now Welbeck ( or whoever ) ?

What on earth did you say Maw??!

But mine remains

Perhaps one of the mods is a Scotsman wearing a kilt to work, MawB!

I fear GNHQ have little idea of kilts,Callistemon but I do wonder why my comment was picked out ???????

welbeck

The title of the thread is perfectly acceptable and this case has been widely reported by all media. The OP contains nothing more than a link to a BBC report which many people will have already seen.

I agree that it could be prejudicial to a trial for known aspects to be discussed on social media but a jury would be directed to disregard anything they have heard or read prior to the trial.

I know have an ear worm

Let the winds blow high, let the winds blow low
Through the street in my kilt I go
Etc

At the risk of “dissing” our wonderful forum, is a future jury in Edinburgh going to be poring over what are in any case opinions on a Grannies’ chat site?
I am not aware that anybody has even stated any facts which might prejudice the fairness of the trial.
Perhaps Scottish Grans could give their opinion?

Apparently one trial had to be halted, I think, because a juror was asking friends on social media what decision she should make!

A very different situation though!
Unless Jane10, mcem, Marelli, Marydoll, Farnorth and all the other Scottish Grans are called for jury service of course......
PS out of interest does the Act Welbeck refers to, apply in Scotland or is there another version under Scottish Law?

Just a wee extract

5 Discussion of public affairs.U.K

A publication made as or as part of a discussion in good faith of public affairs or other matters of general public interest is not to be treated as a contempt of court under the strict liability rule if the risk of impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings is merely incidental to the discussion.

as part of a discussion in good faith of public affairs or other matters of general public interest is not to be treated as a contempt of court under the strict liability rule if the risk of impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings is merely incidental to the discussion

So I think my feeble wee joke about AS’s kilt probably comes under the heading of incidental to the discussion.

He is such a boring person to pull his sex life apart. I can't get up any interest.

MawB Sat 23-Nov-19 13:54:57 you are right but I think there is also an increase in wrongful allegations.

Thinking back I am sure I was 'sexually abused' when I was younger. Men 'tried it on' and got rebuffed, men 'helped' me through doors and touched me, men put their hand on my knee. Let's not forget all the manspreading on public transport.

Jane10 Sat 23-Nov-19 14:22:32 you are probably right but the CPS accepted there was a case against the young man in Croydon

I agree that no man should do anything inappropriate but there will always be some. I think it would do them good to be slapped down in some way and then learn from the experience. The woman will feel good about what she has done and the courts will be saved the cost of dealing with it. No, I'm not talking about serious assault but a whistle or a knee touching is hardly something to store up and bring up years later. I used to find it quite satisfying but no one has tried it on for years!

The reason that many perpetrators don't get slapped down is because of the imbalance of power. It's difficult to intimidate someone who is in authority over you for whatever reason.

We have no idea what these women did Nonnie - but men who behave that way have to realise that their behaviour is illegal and may very well result in a court case. That is one of the consequences of such actions.

What makes you think there’s an increase in wrongful allegations?

SirC because I have read about them. How can we know? I think that if someone has been found to have falsely put someone through all that trauma they should at the least be named. I don't know the name of the person who falsely accused Sir Cliff, I'm not even a fan but I do feel very sorry for him. I feel sorry for the young man in Croydon whose life was ruined by an ex-girlfriend who seems to have got away with it.