Waspi women

That's not quite true grabba. The state pension is paid out in real time from the big melting pot called the Treasury. The government doesn't ring fence money for pensions. It's also a fallacy that NICs pay for pensions. The correlation between what people pay in tax/NICs during their lifetime and what they eventually receive in pension/pension credits is very weak.

How do we pay for it? I don't begrudge the women the money but will it mean fewer doctors and nurses, less housing, less everything?

the rich do pay considerable taxes already

With considerable wealth why wouldn't they? Percentage-wise someone at the bottom of the earnings table pays more I believe.

You must have a lot to protect LG. You constantly rant about loosing a little of it.

Were did the £1 = £28 come from by the way. Your copy of the DM?

growstuff ..by your thinking any amounts of money can be spent on anything at all, with no ill effects felt by the economy.
Why don’t we all have cruises every year paid for by the govt
(I.e. public money) a jag in every garage and free meals in pubs for all, once a week.
We can print more!
Venezuela anyone?

That's just economic illiteracy lemongrove. Go to the library and borrow a book on Keynesian economics. I'm fed up of explaining, especially as you won't listen anyway.

Just in case anyone is interested I have copied the bit about Pensions from the LP manifesto here:

www.gransnet.com/forums/aibu/1269444-funding-Labour-manifesto-promises?pg=5

LemonGrove your stats could have come straight from CCO, a place where truth is unknown. Factcheck them it is not anything like 28:1 or even 1/10 of that ratio as you well know.

I am a waspi woman , born in 1957, wont get my pension till im 66. This however is not going to persuade me to vote for Corbyn. He will say ANYTHING to get votes. Who has done his ‘costing’ for this? That lady’sidekick’ of his who has been proven not to know what 2 plus 2 makes? They’re laughable the lot of them.
I just wish all of them would take the waspi women seriously. We have paid our dues like everyone else and deserve some compensation . I totally agree that there should be equality of pension age but it should have been done differently. I have a sister who is 6 years older than me who has been getting her pension since she was 60 and gets a bus passand £200 heating allowance. She doesnt need it! She had a rant to me last week because she’d had a letter saying she was only going to get £100 but she’s rung them to say they’re wrong! How insensitive can a sister be? I wish it was that easy for me! She knows my situation too!Common sense needs to come into play . Income should be assessed for these last 2 for everyone .
I took redundancy from a job in 2011 thinking i was getting my pension at 60. I truly do not remember getting notifications from the government about the change. I only found out about 4 years ago when i did a pension check . Absolutely devastated! Sorry about the rant!

Truth is like a torch that light the way forward, lies and distorted statistics leaves everything in darkness, increasing the risk of falling over a cliff edge. Try to light the path please

The £1 versus £28 was just on the news....tv Sky, take it up with them if not correct.
Actually, I have very little to ‘protect’ and where exactly have I ‘ranted’ ( your dept usually) on (sic) ‘loosing a little of it’ .
The point is that soaking the rich cannot pay for everything and could have detrimental effects on the economy.
This is all academic, as we all know that Corbyn isn’t going to win this GE, the best he could do is to form an alliance with the SNP ( God help us all.)They may prove not to be as cooperative in backing his policies as he hoped.
The best for the UK is a landslide victory for Johnson.
No more referendums then, either for us or the Scots.

57VRS after what appears to be a rather under-researched all opinion tirade you then say

I just wish all of them would take the waspi women seriously.

The Labour Party are doing just that but your prejudice just cannot give them the credit.

take it up with them if not correct

No one need to LG. We are now well used to your "facts".

The point is that soaking the rich cannot pay for everything and could have detrimental effects on the economy.

A great many knowledgable economists believe it will boost the economy. Where are your credentials for making the statement above LG?

^ the best he could do is to form an alliance with the SNP ( God help us all.)^lemongrove Sun 24-Nov-19 15:17:28

What have you now got against the SNP?

I actually don't think the labour party or any other party is taking us seriously. Its just another cynical yet transparent ploy to make us vote for them.

The best for the UK would be staying in the EU and a centrist government with a mandate to ensure that safety nets are re-introduced and has a genuinely forward thinking outlook, with a genuine understanding of education, health and social care and housing. The more I think about it, the more I'm liking the Labour manifesto, especially after having just followed the bumbling apology for a Conservative manifesto.

Who's us? I think the Labour Part is taking people much more seriously than any other party.

If the EU was the reason the Pension age had to be raised can we look forward to another change when we come out of the EU?

The EU was the reason that the pension age was equalised. How it was done was up to individual member states. The UK could have 'equalised' it downwards if they'd wanted to.

I very much doubt if it will be changed if we come out of the EU, certainly not downwards. The tories don't like spending money on ordinary citizens, they prefer to give it away to their wealthy supporters

I actually don't think the labour party or any other party is taking us seriously. Its just another cynical yet transparent ploy to make us vote for them.

I'm not sure anyone can please you if you just see cynicism everywhere.

Even the Times thinks Labour spending wouldn't be excessive and would only push us up slightly in the rankings as spenders of GDP. It's actually quite a cautious prediction because increased government spending would increase GDP and, therefore, the proportion shown as spending would decrease. It certainly wouldn't push the UK over any cliff edge.

The labour party are not taking us waspi women seriously all they see is another group they can buy votes from. They think we're too thick to see through them. There is nothing they could offer me that would tempt me to vote for them. Who else are they going to promise the earth too seriously?

But that is a simple, over simple opinion flexible friend and like Jane10's a very cynical one. You will not convince any one as you present no argument, and they will not convince you because you are not prepared to listen to theirs.

So, you have expressed your cynicism and we can all get on with the discussion. Isn't free speech wonderful.

I am one of the worst affected "WASPI" women, born in April 1954, with two hikes in my SPA.
Despite the Labour party promise to compensate us if they get in, I would NEVER vote for a party that has John McDonnell and Diane Abbott as two of its prospective cabinet members. Diane Abbott knows as much about economics as I know about quantum physics.

Yes free speech is wonderful. Healthy cynicism regarding all politicians promises is a useful strategy when reading through all the various manifestos.
Talk is cheap. Deeds not words. Now where did I read that?!

I'm not trying to convince anyone GracesGranMK3 unlike the Corbyn supporters who just keep copying and pasting bits from elsewhere. That proves nothing other than they read it, believed it and want us to believe it too, sorry they've failed.
Like nananorfolk I too have been affected quite badly August 1954 in my case but I've accepted it, it's gone and no one is going to do anything about it no matter what they promise, it won't happen. I'll survive.