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The future if Boris gets in

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Yehbutnobut Mon 09-Dec-19 08:09:32

Take back control??? ???

growstuff Mon 09-Dec-19 13:11:46

I didn't expect an apology. You obviously have problems expressing yourself coherently so resort to profanities.

Jane10 Mon 09-Dec-19 13:16:36

I don't remember a time of plenty at any time in the past. Everybody always finds things wrong with every government.
At the time of the Scottish independence referendum the SNP were everywhere spouting their nationalist propaganda. People were afraid to say that they were unionists. It was pretty bad. However, the majority of us just went out and voted against independence. The silent majority spoke at the voting booths. I wonder what they'll say at this election?

MaizieD Mon 09-Dec-19 13:17:10

The Labour manifesto merely advocates a return to a more mixed economy, Opal. Which works very well in a number of countries, and did in the UK until Thatcher set about destroying it.

I think you need to be better informed about the difference between a mixed economy and a command economy.

crystaltipps Mon 09-Dec-19 13:19:00

France: we want to raise the pension age to 62 - “general strike! Man the barricades!”
Tory UK: We want to raise the pension age again maybe to 75, we want to cover up and continue previous cuts by pretending to build more hospitals and employ more police.
“Ooh we’d better vote for that or rich people might have to pay more tax”

sarahellenwhitney Mon 09-Dec-19 13:27:45

Maisie D
Presume you are still resident ??????

Opal Mon 09-Dec-19 13:27:53

Oh you two, you do make me smile growstuff and MD, when you can't think of a factual response, you revert to your attitudes of superior condescension - which just shows all of the other posters your true natures..... Typical left-wing superiority complex, seen it all before .......

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Dec-19 13:31:23

Good man.

Aggressive and foul language says so much about someone’s inability to retain control over their behaviour. You see it so often in right wing and fascist meetings. It must be resisted.

Michael Dougan

I was asked again today: "why not just get a job elsewhere and escape this f*^ked up country?"

Hmmm...

I easily could - thanks to my lovely Irish passport and super free movement rights.

But you don't give fascists a bloody inch. You stay and you fight. So that's what I'll do.

MaizieD Mon 09-Dec-19 13:32:17

What would you like a factual response to, Opal.

I've posted fact after fact on here over the past 3 years but it has no effect whatsoever. So I don't try very hard now. However, you tell me what I have to respond to and I'll happily try again.

I expect growstuff would as well.

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 13:41:51

Isn't it strange that doctors and nurses understand better than most of us, what it means

www.facebook.com/ledbydonkeys/videos/699606253779643/

jo1book Mon 09-Dec-19 14:11:27

The problem with "facts" these days is that they are often untrue. There is a lot of old tosh on Google that is there to incite left wingers or right wingers. Choose your colour and read what suits you.

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 14:17:41

This made me laugh- and is so true

''Voting for Johnson because you don't like Corbyn, is like spreading dog poo on a pizza because you don't like pineapple''

daft, but true.

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 14:21:21

Except jura....?that I view Corbyn as the dog poo!?

jo1book Mon 09-Dec-19 14:23:31

I see the Sun newspaper is dissing Corbyn;every day it seems.
I remember when they boasted they lost the election for Kinnock. Obviously targeting the working-class. They usually get it right as this election is not so much about putting BJ in power than stopping Corbyn.

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 14:24:39

How about keeping all the bad feelings for the politicians and
not other posters on GN.
I view Corbyn as a menace, someone else views Johnson as one, so what?
We shall see who the country favours on Friday morning.

jo1book Mon 09-Dec-19 14:28:57

Exactly. Most people view Corbyn as a Menace.
If Labour want to win an election they should field a better man than Corbyn.

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 14:34:59

I would actually agree to this.

But it is also clear that there has been a huge, underhand campaign of lies and dis-information about Corbyn- financed by Tory Press magnates- in a way which has never seen the likes before.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Dec-19 14:37:14

He has no answer

Joe Pike
@joepike

Tried to show @BorisJohnson the picture of Jack Williment-Barr. The 4-year-old with suspected pneumonia forced to lie on a pile of coats on the floor of a Leeds hospital.

The PM grabbed my phone and put it in his pocket:

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Dec-19 14:38:28

This is what Johnson was trying to hide

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Dec-19 14:41:00

I’m sure there are some who support this

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 14:42:02

Sorry jura but that does sound like an early excuse for Corbyn losing the GE.
Whatever the papers say, he is very much disliked by a varied group of people in the UK, who wouldn’t vote for him if you paid them ( in spite of all the Labour goodies on offer to everybody) and that includes many in the Labour heartlands.
Add Brexit to the mix......
If Labour had a half decent LOTO this time round, they would have been ahead in the polls by now.Last time round they would have won by a landslide.

Chestnut Mon 09-Dec-19 14:49:16

Whitewavemark2 is working round the clock to support her glorious leader. Mostly done by throwing rotten eggs at BJ and the Tories!

We get the choice on Thursday........

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 14:52:08

I said, I agreed- which doesn't change the fact there has been a massive campaign to discredit him by some sections of the Press, with very rich Tory owners.

And now back to Boris:

''EU migrants have been able to “treat the UK as if it’s part of their own country” for too long, Boris Johnson said yesterday as he reprised the core message of Vote Leave’s 2016 EU referendum campaign.''

that was the whole point of Freedom of Movement - you treating the country where you go as your own- learn the language (I was bilingual in 3 months without ever going to a language school- not boasting, just fact. I made sure it was my priority), integrate, take full part, contribute, do your best, respect it. That is the POINT Boris.

Phloembundle Mon 09-Dec-19 15:12:26

Anyone who believes Corbyn will fix the NHS wants their bumps felt. He will open our borders to any Tom, Dick or Harry who want to come here, including spongers who have no intention of working and paying taxes, but who will happily use up the resources of our NHS, leading to even longer waiting times for treatment. And before anyone accuses me of racism, my Lithuanian father fought in the Polish army, settled in UK after demob, worked his bollocks off all his life and died whilst on a waiting list for heart surgery.

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 15:14:03

The new kind of funding for the Tories is highlighted here, from the Guardian today. The Party is no longer funded by donations from its members, but by huge donations from rich magnates, who are set to profit massively from Brexit- in a totally unprecedent way- many of whom are Press owners who have led the disinformation and smear campaign against Corbyn.

''Dislocated from their traditional support, the Conservatives are now largely dependent on funding from a small number of overwhelmingly pro-leave donors. When Johnson took over, promising a hard Brexit, donations increased sharply, particularly from corporates and wealthy individuals involved in hedge funds and other speculative finance. The Conservatives’ growing dependence on hedge fund donors has not gone unnoticed. In September, the former chancellor Philip Hammond declared that Johnson was in league with financiers who, he said, stood to profit handsomely from a no-deal Brexit. The prime minister’s sister, Rachel Johnson, agreed.

The reality is more prosaic, and arguably far more concerning. Hedge fund donors are not trying to orchestrate a great financial heist, but a very small subset of British society now has a hugely disproportionate influence on the Conservatives.

“The Tory party is now wholly unrepresentative in any way of the UK population – its source of funds is so restricted,” says the economist Frances Coppola. “These are all people who want to see a bonfire of regulation, a Singapore-on-Thames.”

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Dec-19 15:50:25

This amongst many others I could list

People who don’t want us to vote Tory

David Attenborough
Prof Brian Cox
John Major
Michael Heseltine
Raab’s Tory predecessor
Hugh Grant
Stephen Fry
Steve Coogan
Gary Linekar
Deborah Meaden
David Schneider
Armando Ianucci
Gina Miller

People who do

Katie Hopkins
Tommy Robinson