INDEPENDENCE DAY!

Possibly because they didn't want any reasoned interviews. If they are bitter remainers then it doesn't fit their agenda ?

How about looking at the facts instead of characterising whole swath(e)s of people. It does look as if Humphries (Humphrys), as an individual, wears that characterisation perfectly, however.

I have listened to John Humphrys for most of his broadcasting life, and believe absolutely that he does look into the facts. He has had more contact with politics, politicians and events, dear boy, than most people, He began his journalistic career reporting from Aberfan, which he said left him with a profound determination to uncover the truth, after witnessing all the lies and cover-ups which
followed that tragedy.
So yes, I do think he has common sense, as well as a great deal of knowledge about all sides of an argument, on which he bases his judgements.

I don’t think the Irish we’re searching for anyone - looks like the embarrassing went looking for them.

ITV did track down a charming unelected bureaucrat twitter.com/otto_english/status/1223519293620588544?s=21

So it is with a genuine sense of sorrow that I must report that on Friday 31 January, between the hours of 9pm and 11pm, Westminster’s Parliament Square played host to a static, knuckle dragging carnival of the irredeemably stupid.

Shirtless men clambered over the statue of Churchill. For some bizarre reason, part of the warm-up act involved playing parts of an old Michael Cockerell documentary on Britain’s history with the EU. “F* off John Major, you c***!” shouted one man when the former prime minister appeared on screen. “He should be hanging by his f**** neck!” the same man shouted at Tony Blair.

They absolutely revelled in it. It wasn’t merely that a singalong to “Rule Britannia”, with the words appearing on a giant screen, was infinitely beyond them. (“The azure what? Az-u main? What’s this? I don’t know thi – RULE BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES!” Entirely verbatim quote, that one).

At one point, when they tried to get the crowd to join in with “Land of Hope and Glory”, the three on-stage singers were so poor that the crowd refused to join in in protest.

Nigel Farage was there, obviously, calling it “the greatest moment in our nation’s modern history.”

Well if it was the greatest moment in our nation’s modern history, it is a matter of public record that the best Farage could find to help him usher it in was a very strange man called Dominic Frisby, singing a very strange song called “17 Million F* Offs.”

The list of people “the British told to f* off” was long indeed.

“The IMF, the treasury, Tony Blair, John Major, Femi Weirdo, Jess Philips, George Osborne.” It went on and on and on. By the time it got to the end, the 17 million f* offs may even have found themselves outnumbered. Whether, in fact the IMF, the Treasury, Tony Blair and absolutely everybody else will, in the end, turn out to have been right, and this lot wrong, is as close to a certainty as anything in politics can possibly be.

But for now, we must go through the motions. Dance the dance. By the time the final countdown came you could scarcely get on to Whitehall. There were thousands there. Not many thousands, but thousands certainly.

I’ve listened back now to the sound on my dictaphone that records Britain’s moment of liberation and it goes exactly like this: “Ten! Nine! Eight! Seven! Six! Five! Four! Three! Two! One! FREEDOM!!!! YEAAAASSSS!!!! F**** FREEDOM!!!! WE F**** DID IT!!! F**** FREEDOM!!! F**** DO ONE!! F**** DO ONE!!!!”

Chestnut, the floor is yours. I have not yet heard a single Leaver who has given any factual argument, backed by clear information- as to how Brexit will make our country and our lives better. No, no- not soundbites, not clichés- FACTS.

That pretty much sums up what I have seen on video jura2. Farage belting out the national anthem made me feel ill.

jura2 Chestnut, the floor is yours.
How kind of you. I have already posted all this further up the thread and repeated to other remainers who keep asking this question. They either haven't been paying attention for the last for years or can't be bothered to read the thread.....or both. I am not going to repeat it all again for you. I suggest you go back and find it.

To show our support for EU there's a petition about EU citizens and Boris's broken promise chng.it/BbbThtCK29
Take a look Leavers. He's dropped Eu citizens in the shit. Who will be next?

Yes you have

''1. We regain our democratic right to be a self governing independent nation without the burden of EU imposed laws.
2. We will keep the billions of taxpayers' money we currently pay to the EU (of which we only get a proportion back).
3. As a free self governing nation once again we can return to global trade as the majority of the free world does.
4. Without many EU directives businesses will be freed from time wasting bureaucracy and will prosper, which will create more jobs and opportunities.''

but I am afraid none of it makes sense and none of it is backed by fact - just wishful thinking. Give facts, give examples that will prove your points.

For instance 1) give me factual examples of which EU Law is burdening out ability to succeed.

Take your points one by one, and make them more than soundbites.

Why should I do all that for you jura2 just because you can't be bothered to do your own research? Brexit hasn't happened in a practical sense yet (until next year) so we can't quote examples of something that hasn't yet taken place.

Very interesting posts aprilrose but it won't make any difference because they are convinced the EU can do no wrong ?

Yes, I have worked that out. For what it is worth I also read your previous posts where you offered clear reasons for wanting to leave the EU but nothing is ever enough for those of a rejoin mindset.

It always has to be someone other than the EU.

have noticed how this thread has deteriorated into some quite astonishingly ill mannered responses. I have better things to do than be insulted by the perpetually offended re join crowd. Social media sites such as GN is full of liberal and EU minded re joiners. They seem afraid of real life. But I have a real life and have to go and live it right now.

The sun has shone today, the first day of leaving the EU.

jura2....you carry on believing that if it keeps you going but most of the country now accept we have left and there will be no going back.
If you ( and any others) keep on hoping against hope that somehow the decision will be reversed, you have a long and bitter wait.
Even Tony Blair, that arch Remainer, has accepted it and now says everyone should work towards a common goal of making a success of it.To carry on with recriminations and
Discord about it ( at our age!) is a waste of a perfectly good life.

It's the 'time wasting bureaucracy' that gets me every time.

When our trade with the EU has, for years, been absolutely frictionless, no bureaucracy, no checks, no nothing.. Soon to change, though...

The problem is, if no-one can give us a real and convincing example we just think they don't really know what they're talking about..

Also jura2 nobody with any sense is going to indulge your
Constant ‘give me reasons!’ ‘Give me facts’ ‘Give me, this, that or the other’.......
Why on earth would anyone bother? We have now left the EU, time to move on.

Same goes for you Maizie and anyone else demanding ‘examples’.......it’s over!!

Chestnut- you gave those points as facts, and now you say we can't quote examples as it has not happened yet. But take your point 1- just the one. Give examples of those EU Laws that have hindered our progress. Nothing to do with future negotiations. You say they exist, not- so you should be able to make a short list. Surely. Not for me, of course- but just to make sense of your statement. Because otherwise, you are no better informed that those Ladies in the interview- jsut soundbites- with no substance or fact.

lemon- of course the decision will not be reversed, tragically. I am now a Rejoiner, and no longer a Remainer. Nothing to do with recriminations, but about the future of the country - thank goodness my own children and grand-children have escape routes- but I am not selfish and think of all the other children and grandchildren. As Johnson's promises (lies) fall by the wayside, one by one, and those easiest deals ever turn out to be very complicated, and tie us as vassals to foreign powers in a way we never were with the EU (top table in decision making and with many rebates and exceptions made for us) ... more will join. It will be long and painful, and hurt mostly those who voted for it- and they will NOT be happy when they realise it.

You seem to have a crystal ball jura2 and it shows nothing but bad things! Why don't we wait and see how things will turn out instead of predicting doom and gloom. As lemongrove said, why should we indulge your constant requests for proof of everything? You can find things out for yourself if you're that desperate to know.

Who mentioned that anyone had the wrong skills or were not skilled enough?

No one did aprilrose. I was trying to have what is commonly called a conversation. I still cannot see why all this was the fault of the EU and not our government. They know which jobs are becoming redundant through progress or whatever. They needed to be on the ball with all this and they simply haven't been. That is not the fault of the EU.

As for other countries immigration policies, the one we keep hearing about is Australia. Isn't that the one we aim to copy? An immigration system designed to bring in more immigrants not less. I am sorry you did not have the upfront money but immigrants to this country are asked for certain levels of earnings, etc. This did not happen if you were going to work in the EU simply because of the reciprocation rules. It has never all been the "fault" of the EU and, if the government don't actually do their job, who will you blame then?

No, the country has not left the EU - yet!

For most practical purposes, apart from having any ability to participate in decision making,the country is still in the EU. The real test will come at the end of 2020.

You forgot to put the IMHO jura2

growstuff......trade negotiations this year, we have left now with no going back.

I think we just have to accept, jura, that they are repeating soundbites and don't actually have any idea of what lies behind them.

A bit like the vox pops you linked to earlier, really...

Why should I do all that for you jura2 just because you can't be bothered to do your own research?

You know that is not your reason. Why should Jura have to try and prove your point when you can't do it yourself. Sound bites do not win discussions or persuade anyone else.

For most practical purposes, apart from having any ability to participate in decision making,the country is still in the EU. The real test will come at the end of 2020.

It will certainly be a test of reality for Mr Johnson.

You know what, lemon? At this stage I have no desire whatsoever to go back. I have the popcorn ready to watch the god awful mess the tories are going to make of this...

Give it a few years