INDEPENDENCE DAY!

The whole Brexit debate, and this thread, have told me more about my fellow citizens than I care to know. I didn’t realise so many had such a narrow outlook. There definitely must be something wrong with our education system.

I’d always assumed that the nationalistic goings-on at the Last Night Of the Proms were ironic nowadays. They certainly are in the minds of the conductors and performers I’ve known. Now I realise there’s an element that takes it all seriously. Oh dear.

We have the very good reasons for leaving the EU here:
Reasons for Leaving

Maizie.... as opposed to the god awful mess that Corbyn and pals would have made of it??

I actually feel sorry for some of the bitter posters comments on here, they see nothing good in the UK or in life after the EU, even though they have no idea how things will turn out, negativity rules.A bit sad really.

growstuff......trade negotiations this year, we have left now with no going back.

No going back You do love the empty phrases don't you. Who said? Why not? Are there no conditions which would make more than half the country - it only has to be a small majority of those who choose to vote after all - decide that is the best way to go. If we had to vote whether to or not because people were unhappy that the deal did not live up to the sound bites, just how many current leave voters do you think would bother to vote at all. You need a very good deal to keep all those people on board.

The alternative is that we end up with all the rules and no real negotiating power either with the EU or the USA or both. The UK is quite a big economy. As big as the five smallest EU countries put together. But that means there are a total of 22 other countries making them a larger trading block than we are. Then there is the US, India, China and before long Africa. I hope this government can do it but who knows?

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Well I try to be positive, we have to wait and see how the negotiations go, then we shall all see the results.

This really is just another thread for those who were against leaving the EU to insult anyone who voted to leave.

I actually feel sorry for some of the bitter posters comments on here, they see nothing good in the UK or in life after the EU, even though they have no idea how things will turn out, negativity rules. A bit sad really.

Lemongrove I do not believe, from what I have read, posted under all your incarnations, that you feel sorry for anyone and you do not even seem to be able to identify what bitterness is. However, all I need to do is read your posts to understand what self-serving smug satisfaction is. You may feel you are on the upward path of the wheel of life but always remember that eventually, you start going down again.

It’s been that way for three years, high time for things to settle down ( at last!)

This really is just another thread for those who were against leaving the EU to insult anyone who voted to leave.

And what is that but you insulting anyone who voted to remain? Know yourself before you start criticising other GG13.

I have only had two ‘incarnations’ GGM3 whereas you have had four!?
Your post is the epitome of bitterness btw.

Can you read numbers lemongrove. How do you turn 3 into 4. Each time I went off to do other things and took a break I came back with the same name. I did not try to hide behind a change so that I could get the knife in before anyone recognised me as you did.

You were just Graces first I believe, then GGM1 etc......not that it matters a jot, ‘twas you who brought the subject up for no reason at all.

Well I am glad it is finally done, even though it was not the outcome I wanted. Despite different views and opinions we now all need to pull together as a country to make leaving the EU as successful as possible, no matter how galling some of us think of it. If we don’t pull together we all suffer.

Chestnut I did find it amusing that the Reasons For Leaving was written by someone who claimed he had "worked for many European Governments"! Well not any more! And he has slammed the door shut for everyone else.
The reasons were based on some very dodgy ideas such as the EU being responsible for the stagnation of trade in Europe- nothing to do with the growth of places like China then????

Nor did I hide either, or change my writing style, and when some posters missed me I told them of the name change, made btw for personal reasons as I had divulged something on a thread that could have identified me.
Now, you have brought up the subject of user names, for no good reason at all, other than to try and insult.
Scraping the barrel indeed.

Well said Caro ???

GGMK3, I was not criticising anyone, just my opinion on the way this thread has evolved.

Since voting is confidential and a personal choice, why would you consult anyone as to how you would vote? It is private for the very reasons that people are divided over now. You are better off keeping your vote private.

Lemongrove I would have no reason to call myself "Graces", that would be weird. The fact that you think you know better than I do what I have called myself speaks volumes.

I don't think I did bring up user names either. You did. I wasn't mentioned before this post I have only had two ‘incarnations’ GGM3 whereas you have had four! as far as I can see.

Apropos of nothing that went before as far as I can see.

GracesGranMK3 all I need to do is read your posts to understand what self-serving smug satisfaction is.
Good grief, you complain about nastiness! I am shocked by the level of vitriol in these personal attacks you make. ?

That is a sensible post Caro and well said. ?

I realise you don't think you were GrannyGravy13. You feel being tribal in your comments is okay. I find it insulting. I actually found the OP pretty insulting too. It looks as if the one thing the leaver/remainer split has shown is that we have groups of people working under very different cultures, each of them criticising the other for theirs.

Good grief, you complain about nastiness! I am shocked by the level of vitriol in these personal attacks you make.

Just as I am often shocked by your posts Chestnut. That, as I said above, is a very big problem and one that will not be solved by leaving or remaining in the EU. It appears that GNHQ has decided personal attacks are okay. Someone explained this to me at the very beginning of this thread.

Come on GNers Isn’t it time all this bad feeling and vitriol stopped. Remainers are obviously licking their wounds and leavers (not all I might add) are gloating. Surely we should all of us be trying to come together despite our own personal views. Where on earth is falling out going to get us? Like it or not we are out of the EU. Deal with it!