Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

As a NZer I may have some input here which gives a different perspective. We have been the recipients of a similar policy which means that we receive criminals who have spent all their lives in Australia have no family left in New Zealand and are often unemployed. Also many of them have brought their gang affiliations along with them which has also caused big problems. The numbers aren’t huge but it has been enough to cause big headaches for our police and welfare people. It also has not been great for our relationship with Australia.
These are people who may have immigrated as babies.

I would comment that possibly these people in the UK are being sent to smaller countries where their impact would be greater than we have experienced in NZ. There are wider issues which need to be thought about, what about your relationship with the country you are sending them to. Rehabilitation for the criminals is much harder when there is no family support. Food for thought.

Just seen Channel4 news, all those deported today were guilty of very serious crimes, in other words no one was deported for just stealing one mobile phone. As far as I’m concerned, I’m glad they’ve gone.

It is impossible to get a complete picture of who will be in the final 50, as there is no transparency from the Home Office.

apparently?

As MPs are constantly lying in Parliament I can't see how anyone can be clear about exactly what crimes are involved. Certainly some of these are historic crimes which the people involved have served time for. Some of them have been reformed but are still being deported. In any case most of them came as children so they are our responsibility. If they are criminals they learned that here.

What about the ruined lives of their victims?

If they learnt how to be a criminal here, they didn’t learn it from me, and I very much doubt they learnt it from any of you, so who/where did they learn it? Their schools? That seems doubtful. Who/where then? Peer group? Family? Neighbours? Church? If they learnt it here, we need to know who’s teaching people how to be a criminal don’t we?

And absolutely JenniferE, victims of rape, manslaughter, drug dealers, and aggravated robbery, which means with a weapon/firearm.
Who were the victims? What about them?

trisher
In any case most of them came as children so they are our responsibility

How do you come to that conclusion?
They are not citizens of the U.K., never have been, they have potentially been living here illegally. How does that make us responsible?
Would you be showing the same level of outrage if it was a plane full of Australians? For all we know this may well have occurred.

Why all this hand wringing? They are criminals. What about their victims? Just glad we don't have to pay anymore for their chosen life style, that won't change and hope they enjoy their new homes because they obviously didn't value the one they had here.

Maddy, likely the same people who are teaching criminals who were born in the U.K. as well. Surely you don’t think there are none of those! What a foolish statement

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That is right Sparkling

Where is the gratitude for the country which took them in?

I can never understand the mindset of those who always seem to have more sympathy for criminals than their victims.

good riddance to bad rubbish

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Criminals are someone's sons and daughters. People make mistakes. Some on this thread seem to lack any compassion.

People are never 'rubbish'. Hate the action but not the person

Criminals are someone's sons and daughters. People make mistakes. Some on this thread seem to lack any compassion.

My word

I imagine you'd have been chanting along with the others to let the Somali criminal off a plane that was deporting him

He was allowed off thanks to these 'compassionate' souls

He'd been involved in the gang rape of a 16 year old in this country

Any compassion for her?

Of course I have compassion for the victims of crime.

Listed in my local paper

Who was deported?
Rape
1 convicted for rape and given an 11 year sentence
1 convicted of rape and given a sentence of 4 years and 6 months

Violent crime
1 convicted for a violent assault and given a sentence of 1 year and 3 months
1 convicted of wounding with intend to cause GBH, possession of a weapon in public place Violent offences against a person (Wounding) 7 years
1 convicted of a violent crime against a person and given a 8 year sentence
1 convicted for intent to supply class A drugs – 7 year sentence
1 persistent offender, whose most recent conviction was for drugs offences and intimidating a witness and given a total sentence of 11 months
1 convicted for importing controlled drugs and given a sentence of four years
1 convicted to supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of four years and six months
1 convicted to supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of three years
1 convicted of importing controlled class B drugs and given a three year sentence
1 convicted of supplying class A drugs (crack cocaine) and given a sentence of 3 years and 2 months
1 convicted of supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of 3 years and 4 months

Robbery and firearm offences:
1 convicted of robbery and give a life sentence
1 convicted of robbery, firearms offence, theft of a vehicle and possessing class A drugs, given a five year sentence
1 convicted for conspiracy to rob and possession of a firearm and given a sentence of 9 years

Personally, I am glad they are no longer a threat to the rest of us

Unfortunately only 17 were on the plane the rest are still here thanks to all the bleeding hearts and money grabbing solicitors.

So we have criminals who grew up in our country who were drawn into crime here, who have served sentences in prison and who we have now sent off to another poorer country. The sheer ignorance and prejudice behind the posts saying send them back is terrible. Shouldn't people who have served a sentence being given the right to show they have reformed? shouldn't we have a responsibility to the people of Jamaica? Or is it OK for them to be raped and murdered?

Much more money needs to be invested in the prison service and the rehabilitation of prisoners.We should be ashamed of our prison service. Recidivism is very high and we need to tackle what we can do to prevent this.

How much has racism led to these people getting into trouble in the first place? We only have to look at outcomes for black lads to see how badly they do generally.

trisher the vast majority of people who grew up in this country do not resort to crime. Those who have been deported have been found guilty of serious crimes - some are repeat offenders. I am in favour of helping criminals give up a life of crime however, people can only be rehabilitated if they want to be rehabilitated.

Oldwoman70 that maybe the case but what you are in fact saying is that the lives of people in Jamaica are less valuable than lives in Britain. That it is OK for them to have people who are violent and who have murdered or raped sent to them, and although they are a poorer less developed country, they are expected to deal with them.
Those who are saying it isn't this country's fault have no idea about the pressures there are even on very nice families in poor areas, where gangs and drug dealers recruit and use children from a very early age. You may not live in such an area but have some compassion for those who do.