Since 1967, the Palestinian people are being destroyed in the most inhumane of ways

The idea that Iran is so dangerous is one perpetrated by the media and the US government. Once again the reason is oil and the fact that Iran effectively removed themselves from American domination. Is it an ideal administration?, by no means, but it is no worse than that of Saudi Arabia a country we seem fine to have as a close friend. Many Iranian families in exile live in the UK and the country was beginning to open up to tourism. It has some of the most interesting sites in antiquity. A friend had a holiday there just before the last US embargo and found the people and the country delightful. It was on my travel list.

Undoubtedly the people of Iran are fine but their rulers aren’t. Many people in Iran aren’t happy with their government and feel oppressed.

I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here trisher. Many Iranians in exile do live in the UK, I know more than one family but that just proves the wicked west isn’t so bad really. Maybe you’d like to go and live in Iran?

God help the Palestinians. Doesn't look like anyone else will.

I said the people of Israel because its THEY who vote for governments who acts on Palestinians so ulltimately the PEOPLE of Israel are culpable .If they dont want to see families thrown from their homes ,and worse they must vote against the government who carries out the atrocities .

I am not anti semitic..I am anti Israeli State Government and the people who allow their elected representatives to act in this way in their name .

I wouldn't have expected you to understand tickingbird and the response "go and live there" is so childish. Try this- the government of Iran is elected unlike the government of Saudi Arabia. There has always been a certain level of mistreatment and human rights abuse, it is now probably less common that it was under the Shah, who was backed by the USA. There are people still living in Iran who were supporters of the Shah.
There is also a group of Jews living in Iran, they have 1 representative on the Iran parliament.
Some Iranians living here are exiles, some are students, some came as exiles but have paid many return visits to their country.
It isn't ideal but it is by no means the worst country in the Middle East. I don't want to live there I do want to visit and see some of the huge number of historical sites

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I said the people of Israel because its THEY who vote for governments who acts on Palestinians so ulltimately the PEOPLE of Israel are culpable .If they dont want to see families thrown from their homes ,and worse they must vote against the government who carries out the atrocities .

I am not anti semitic..I am anti Israeli State Government and the people who allow their elected representatives to act in this way in their name .

That's what I mean. Israeli people are responsible for voting in their government who perpetrate the unacceptable treatment of the Palestinian people.

Trisher don’t play around with my words. I didn’t say “go and live there” did I? You seem to hate the UK but enjoy the rights and privileges we take for granted. However, that’s not the point. Not sure why you’re attempting to educate me about Iran or trying to convince me it’s not the worst country in the Middle East. You appear to be struggling to follow the thread. Iran’s rulers have made no secret of their desire to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. There’s been no criticism of the Iranian people.

As for the posters blaming Israelis for their government’s treatment of the Palestinians - our government started an illegal war in Iraq despite many people objecting. I marched myself in protest. Didn’t stop Blair going ahead though did it? Once a government is in power there’s very little the people can do and you try this - there are many protests in Israel against the treatment of the Palestinians. If you think all Israelis just sit back and accept these actions you’d be wrong.

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God help the Palestinians. Doesn't look like anyone else will.

Their god is not going to help the Palestinians, the Israeli god is much more powerful, nobody else wants to know. The only solution is for the Islamic world to accept Israel’s right to exist and integrate the Palestinians. It’s not reasonable it’s not fair but the only alternative is for the existing stand off where their neighbours dispute their tight to exist.

Both sides are equally fanatical, the whole region is a powder keg, Israel getting involved will make the existing fighting look like a tea party.

It is very interesting that this one action by the Israeli government gets so much attention when the atrocities committed by many of the other countries in the Middle East are ignored. Israel isn’t perfect but it is the only democracy in the ME where gay people don’t get thrown off roofs and adulterers aren’t stoned to death. Everyone - Jews, Arabs and Christians - are able to vote and get an education. Women have equality and are allowed to drive cars.

I didn't vote for the current Conservative governments, or the previous two over the past ten years. I did what I could to support a Labour victory and will continue to do that.

The Conservatives won the vote and for the past ten years have slashed and destroyed the public services that helped our country be a good place to live. Reports this morning say almost 20% of children here lives with at least one parent where misuse of alcohol/drugs is an issue, a parent has mental health problems and / or domestic abuse is part of the lives of those children. I am despondent and angry that my government's policies and actions contribute to this. Am I responsible? I don't believe so though I do feel shame to live in a country that seems to favour Victorian values.

tickingbird how do you equate believing Israel is mistreating Palestinians, thinking Iran is by no means the worst administration in the Middle East and thinking Saudi shouldn't be supplied with weapons as "hating the UK"? I'm very proud of the creation of a welfare state, the hard fought for rights, which unions established for working people and many other of the huge steps this country has made towards equality and democracy. I don't like us continuing to supply weapons to be used against oppressed people, I don't like us not speaking up for those who are oppressed and I don't like the way there are now such huge inequalities emerging in this country again. I marched with others to protest against the war and supported the Stop the War coalition, an organisation still trying to stop the exporting of weapons to Saudi.

I’m certainly not confusing the Jewish people with the Isreali state! I have never confused them. However, people vote for a government and as I said before, I cannot understand why people vote for a government that inflicts such atrocities on the Palestinians. I’m sorry you seem to have misunderstood my position.

IMO, Palestine was stolen by the British and the USA for the Jews displaced by WW2, who disregarded the rights of the Palestinians. (The British implemented plantation in Ireland with very similar results).

The general nature of your posts trisher.

Also, in regard to Saudi, I know their human rights abuses and the situation in the Yemen. However, they supply us with crucial information regarding terrorism and without their help our streets would be extremely unsafe. It’s not very palatable but, unfortunately, that’s the way it works. Our security services are foiling plots everyday. Plots that would unleash horror on our streets - all from political Islam.

Tickingbird.

This government and previous governments are busy taking away those “rights and privileges” so hard won by trade unions and the Labour government post war!

Have a listen to LBC. Many contributors are finding out just how difficult it is to claim benefits now they have no work and cannot exist on the minimal support that is provided for those in difficulty. Maybe in the future they will be more selfless and vote for policies which benefit all the people of this country including all those at the bottom of the pile.

Yes, it is genocide. The Jews were victims of Nazi genocide . Now the Israelis are victims of Israli genocide.

Genocide always begins in social attitudes, and invariably proceeds by way of divesting a people of their means of subsistence.

I mean now the Palestinians are victims of the former victims

Plenty of genocide happened since WW2, China was probably the worst 30m dead, maybe Stalin was worse, Cambodia, Rwanda, Congo, close to home Kosovo and it’s still happening.
All we can do is keep our own society humane we can’t control everyone.

tickingbird you do realise that a major funder of terrorism in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia don't you? Any information they share will be strongly biased to obscure their own activities in that area.
Davidhs no one is asking that we control anything, simply that we condemn and isolate states which commit human rights atrocities and practice genoicide.

Davidhs no one is asking that we control anything, simply that we condemn and isolate states which commit human rights atrocities and practice genoicide.

Not a lot to ask for from a civilised society.

Israel condemned but not isolated?.

Israel neither condemned nor isolated by western governments. In fact hugely sponsored and armed by the US. and ignored by other countries.

I’m sure you know best trisher.

Thanks tickingbird always pleased to pass on knowledge!

I’ve noticed unfortunately it’s not always correct and that’s the problem!

Who is the arbitrator of what is correct and what's not? Trisher is very well informed on the matter of the continued persecution of the Palestinians. You may not like what she says but its not wrong.