Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

I haven't read so many appalling opinions on here in a long time. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

AR might not be well educated but Johnson with his expensive education couldn't even pronounce the French bits of his franglais statements correctly.

Rayner was a carer for her mother and her middle son is registered blind and has SEN. I wonder if people would prefer she knew her place and had stayed in the council estate where she was born and lived off the benefits for her disabled child.

I've had a quick look at her background and education history. She's clearly an intelligent woman. Her background reminded me a bit of Nadine Dorries. She gets a bit of grief on here as well. Also Priti Patel doesn't speak properly either. Something else I've learned from GN.

As for speech, I've no issue with it. It's how she talks .Not always in agreement with her but I'm not always in agreement with any politician of any colour.

I imagine a lot of you wouldn't like my voice with its RP which I acquired during childhood. Not my fault!

I see Angela is also a grandmother. At 40. How lovely for the child to have such a young vibrant Grandma to play with

Dinahmo

I haven't read so many appalling opinions on here in a long time. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

AR might not be well educated but Johnson with his expensive education couldn't even pronounce the French bits of his franglais statements correctly.

I completely agree - some truly awful bigoted and prejudiced comments.

Well Zoejory at least with your RP voice, you wouldn't be labelled thick, as I would with my oh so distasteful northern accent!

Curlywhirly

Well Zoejory at least with your RP voice, you wouldn't be labelled thick, as I would with my oh so distasteful northern accent!

And how wrong they'd be! I have a friend who was educated with me who sounds like the Queen. She failed to get one O'Level.

Accents can fool people! It is all so silly really.

She made her point and we're talking about her. Not many want to talk about Raab. Not much to say about him really.

I love Northern accents. I love most accents. I'm not keen on Birmingham though. Apologies to anyone from Birmingham

I love Northern accents, Curlywhirly. I love most accents. I'm not keen on Birmingham though. Apologies to anyone from Birmingham

Isn't it a shame to see that women are women's biggest critics?
Rayner should be celebrated for having done so well, given her circumstances.
I expect people would be trumpeting it to all who would listen if their darling daughters had achieved half as much.

Yes Zoejory you have just illustrated a point - Princess Diana fail to get even one O level, even though she sat them twice! Didn't hold her back!

Curlywhirly

Yes Zoejory you have just illustrated a point - Princess Diana fail to get even one O level, even though she sat them twice! Didn't hold her back!

Exactly! And John Major, ex PM only got 3.

AR might not be well educated but Johnson with his expensive education couldn't even pronounce the French bits of his franglais statements correctly

Not at all Dinahmo he speaks French fluently. His Franglais was deliberate. A kind of subtle dig at Macron.

Urmstongran

^AR might not be well educated but Johnson with his expensive education couldn't even pronounce the French bits of his franglais statements correctly^

Not at all Dinahmo he speaks French fluently. His Franglais was deliberate. A kind of subtle dig at Macron.

It was the kind of joke a silly schoolboy might make, thinking it was clever. It was about a subtle as a knock on the head avec un grand stick.

Oh look, I'm funny, can I be PM?

You'd think that someone who spoke French would understand that its not funny to make fun of other people's languages, yet here we are.

He's even said it before - twice. It sounds like a headline from the "Sun" and not funny at all. He's an embarrassment.

I have just read the backstory of AR posted earlier on the thread and having myself worked with such children and families for nearly 20 years I know just how unlikely it is to be able rise above this. I have nothing but admiration for her drive and determination and her experiences of such poverty and deprivation will serve her and others in future.

Urmstongran

^AR might not be well educated but Johnson with his expensive education couldn't even pronounce the French bits of his franglais statements correctly^

Not at all Dinahmo he speaks French fluently. His Franglais was deliberate. A kind of subtle dig at Macron.

I'm not disputing that he was franglaising. What I am commenting on was his inability to pronounce a French words correctly.

Macron's use of the English language is perfect. When he first became president and came to the UK he made a long speech in English which was immaculate.

Urmstongran

^AR might not be well educated but Johnson with his expensive education couldn't even pronounce the French bits of his franglais statements correctly^

Not at all Dinahmo he speaks French fluently. His Franglais was deliberate. A kind of subtle dig at Macron.

You say 'subtle dig' I say extremely rude. Since when has it been acceptable?

Snobbery alive and well on this thread. Angela R had a baby at 16, so didn’t work hard?!! She’s become an MP from her background without working hard? Nonsense

It’s all about presentation these days seemingly. Angela Rayner’s working class northern accent makes her sound common and uncouth in some people’s eyes. I don’t like to hear her myself, not because of the accent but because of her rather screechy way of speaking. I think it would be difficult for her, if ever the leader, to win over the more prejudiced middle class voters.
I do think she has done very well to get where she is and must have a far better understanding of the problems, way of life and aspirations of ordinary folk than the current crew. Would I vote for her to be leader of the Labour Party were I in a position to do so? Probably not as I think she would be a vote loser due to the above mentioned prejudices.

Looks like we're stuck with a load of posh speaking twats then.

EkwaN it isn’t her Northern accent that most on here object to it’s her screechy voice and way of speaking.Most people have an accent of some kind anyway.

MissAdventure

Looks like we're stuck with a load of posh speaking twats then.

Some inverted snobbery making an appearance now.
You can grow up on a rough council estate ( I did) and still speak properly.

I'm a Brum, most people won't know that by hearing me speak but I can turn it on if I want to. Unfortunately, to some people, accents do matter (already had one person here say they don't like a Birmingham accent) so I'm not surprised that people tone down their accents and if communication is important, as it is in politics, seems like a sensible thing to do. I'm no less authentic as a Brum because I have an RP accent and the words that come out of my mouth are no different but at least I don't find people assume that I am poorly educated! If I were AR I'd tone down my accent, clearly it's stops some people taking what she says seriously and that is an issue! With regard to her having a child at 16, that's not a "life choice" that's just sad, she's had a tough start in life and risen above it. If she'd been born and brought up in a different home, she might not have had a child at 16, had a really good education and be just like all the other MPs, she brings a different life experience into politics and that's a good thing but she needs to make sure everyone listens to her, not just the few.

Is she not speaking English?

Is she unintelligible?

Is she shouting and swearing in an unparliamentary way?

Sorry peeps, but this is the way people talk. Neither she nor anybody else needs to modify their speech nor tone of voice to please you. If you wouldn't vote for her because of the way she speaks, then it's you that needs to change, not her.