Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

I thought I would join in with the general judgemental comments, but I can only do inverted snobbery, because I don't have the right accent to anything else.
Unpleasant though, isn't it?

She isn't using dialect as far as I could tell. I also have a regional accent but speak 'properly' ie without dialect. I do use dialect though, if I want to but not in the House of COMMONS because I don't work there

Maudi

Well I'm from a working class background but please Angela Rayner having a go at Raab did herself and Labour no favours.

As I've noticed before - English people seem to prefer to be governed by posh boys, no matter how incompetent'.

He lied anyway, he said extra tuition was available in schools where children had fallen behind during the pandemic. It isn't at my youngest's school in a true blue constituency. So when will it be available?

No sight of it here, but then what use would it be to children who sound like they're from a rough part of Essex, anyway?
Innit bro?

I think AR does come across as being uncouth and gobby, but coming from a poor working class background is no excuse. Alan Johnson came from the humblest of backgrounds but he is a real gentleman and has manners. I have huge respect for him (and I'm not a Labour voter).

She doesn't need an excuse.
Nobody needs to excuse who they are.

I came to the conclusion a long, long time ago that people are frightened of strong women - whatever their background. So any excuse to deride or humiliate them goes. It is every day misogyny.

Galaxy

Lifestyle choices. Bugger me. That's my northern attitude coming out. At least she brought up her children, rather than the lifestyle choices made by Johnson which ensured that didnt happen.

Very true, his education and posh voice haven't made him a gentleman have they. He hasn't even got the decency to be embarrassed about his behaviour, bragging about his time in the delivery room. If anyone is uncouth it is him.

Urmstongran

I could be harsh back Riverwalk and say Boris’ progeny didn’t require state help in the form of benefits and/or social housing. The taxpayer who plays ‘dad’ in loco parentis in so many cases. No wonder it’s a lifestyle choice sometimes.

He hasn't taken financial responsibility for one of his has he? I thought he agreed to the new step father taking over that role. Is that any more commendable?

He also paid for the previous mistress to have an abortion and then still hadn't learnt about contraception in the meantime and she had subsequent miscarriage.

eazybee

Uncouth means lacking refinement, grace, manners, sophistication, culture.

Sounds like our PM ?‍♀️

eazybee

What a pity she didn't make a lifestyle choice to get some education.
Her lack of it is very clear.

Wow. What an awful thing to say. You should be ashamed you even think like that let alone put it in writing.

Chestnut

I think AR does come across as being uncouth and gobby, but coming from a poor working class background is no excuse. Alan Johnson came from the humblest of backgrounds but he is a real gentleman and has manners. I have huge respect for him (and I'm not a Labour voter).

Exactly this.

lemongrove

Some inverted snobbery making an appearance now.
You can grow up on a rough council estate ( I did) and still speak properly.

Who is to say what “properly” is though ?

Chestnut

I think AR does come across as being uncouth and gobby, but coming from a poor working class background is no excuse. Alan Johnson came from the humblest of backgrounds but he is a real gentleman and has manners. I have huge respect for him (and I'm not a Labour voter).

Thank you, Chestnut - I was trying to think of Alan Johnson’s name, as someone from a disadvantaged background, who came across as ‘couth’ and a gentleman - and I don’t mean that in any kind of class sense. As has been said, the best prime minister we never had.

I do think some women almost pride themselves on coming across as ‘arsey’, for want of a better word, and AR is probably one of them.

Well I never knew couth was a word.

It's a proper education, this Gransnet. Ever so pleased I am, to be allowed to take part. Makes you proper grateful, so it does. ( reverses out, tugging forelock respectfully )

So women now want to appear arsey?

I think that's right Witzend (18.53). And the Labour Party will never get going again if its members condemn KS for being too flat and AR for being too strident.

I don't find her voice anything like as bad as Mrs Thatcher's, both before and after the elocution lessons.

Alegrias1

Well I never knew couth was a word.

It's a proper education, this Gransnet. Ever so pleased I am, to be allowed to take part. Makes you proper grateful, so it does. ( reverses out, tugging forelock respectfully )

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/couth.
Yes it is a proper word.

It certainly is a word....otherwise there wouldn’t be an uncouth.?

I actually think arsey is quite a useful characteristic for a woman.

I find myself disgruntled, nonplussed and dejected. I will immediately defenestrate myself with nonchalance so that my misgivings are kept intact.

Somebody close that window quickly! Save Alegrias! ?
( unless you live in a bungalow Aleg) in which case you will be quite alright.

Starmer must learn from Angela Rayner or face life in the political wilderness
In Westminster this week, Labour's deputy leader gave us the rare sight of the party actually opposing the Government